SB43's big lesson: Quarterbacks are important

[Fox007]

"After that [dropped pass by Holmes], Santonio came back to the huddle and said, 'My bad,'" Roethlisberger said. "I told him it didn't matter because I'm coming back to you. That's the kind of confidence I have in him and I know he has it in himself."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=3877909

[X-Clown]

HAHA your using a You Tube video with that angle to try to help yourself?

Please I have the game recorded, and they show more angles than that.

Tell ya what why don't you find the interview where he said he dropped it himself, because I saw that and heard that myself.

Also everyone in the media knows he dropped it and even hinted at how he would have been the scapegoat if he had dropped that pass he caught.

I posted the first video I could find on Youtube since there aren't a lot out there of that particular play. I get that the ball touched his hands and technically is a drop, but you're not convincing me that it was a "perfect throw" because the guy would have had made yet another circus catch. The fact is if that particular play happens with Jake throwing the ball and Steve Smith dropping an acrobatic, yet somewhat catchable ball, all of you mindless haters on here are going to say it was bad throw by Jake that Smith had no shot at catching. If he does make the catch, Smith would have "bailed him out" on a terrible throw. Roethlisberger made two throws that weren't right on the numbers, yet they were both "perfect passes".

[X-Clown]

"After that [dropped pass by Holmes], Santonio came back to the huddle and said, 'My bad,'" Roethlisberger said. "I told him it didn't matter because I'm coming back to you. That's the kind of confidence I have in him and I know he has it in himself."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=3877909

"I saw Santonio in the corner. As soon as I let go of it, I saw the defensive back going to get it. I thought it was intercepted. I thought I blew it," Roethlisberger said.

http://superbowl.fanhouse.com/2009/02/03/roethlisberger-i-thought-i-blew-it/

[Fox007]

I posted the first video I could find on Youtube since there aren't a lot out there of that particular play. I get that the ball touched his hands and technically is a drop, but you're not convincing me that it was a "perfect throw" because the guy would have had made yet another circus catch. The fact is if that particular play happens with Jake throwing the ball and Steve Smith dropping a tough but somewhat catchable ball, all of you mindless haters on here are going to say it was bad throw by Jake that Smith "bailed him out" on.

Err no, if you actually watch the replay, or the game for that matter you will see the ball go straight through his hands. Not over, not under, but a TO type of miss.

In other words, he WHIFFED. That's not on the QB.

It was a great throw, ask anyone not named yourself.

Hell everyone was saying that the pass he did catch was a perfect throw, but that one was even better than the one he caught.

Mindless hater, that's a good one, I guess that makes you a mindless lover.

I know your feelings are so hurt, just like mine

Oh noes look at the mindless hater guys gee golly,he doesn't agree with me, therefore hes a mindless hater. :willy_nilly:

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[Fox007]

"I saw Santonio in the corner. As soon as I let go of it, I saw the defensive back going to get it. I thought it was intercepted. I thought I blew it," Roethlisberger said.

http://superbowl.fanhouse.com/2009/02/03/roethlisberger-i-thought-i-blew-it/

Yea that was the game winning catch, not the one he missed.

You were talking about the one he missed.

[X-Clown]

Err no, if you actually watch the replay, or the game for that matter you will see the ball go straight through his hands. Not over, not under, but a TO type of miss.

I watched both. So you're telling me that he didn't have to make a backwards, leaping catch, when he was pretty much wide open?

None of the rest of this post was worth reading or responding to, and is more oriented for the smack forum.

Yea that was the game winning catch, not the one he missed.

You were talking about the one he missed.

Right. And I was pointing out that Ben himself pointed out that in the very next play that he thought it wasn't a great throw. Lots of quarterbacks have receivers that will make great catches. Randy Moss does it for Tom Brady, Larry Fitzgerald does it for Kurt Warner, Holmes did it for Big Ben. No one discredits those quarterbacks, but yet some of the big plays that Jake and Smith make, 100% of the credit goes to Smith, zero to Jake, according to the experts on here.

[Fox007]

I watched both. So you're telling me that he didn't have to make a backwards, leaping catch?

What does that have to do with the throw? LOL.

He miss timed the jump. He said it himself on first and 10 how he messed up.

The ball was placed behind two defenders and in a spot to where only he could have made the catch.

Not sure what your getting at, but you would be better served

A)listening the the WR himself, or B)not watching a terrible you tube clip and get yourself some HD TV.

[frash.exe]

The hardheadedness of this fanbase

seriously Jake critics have constantly been accused of not giving the guy any credit for anything, we're accused of skewing the stats to our advantage by people who do the exact same thing themselves to further their point.

What it comes down to is Ben Roethlisberger>Jake Delhomme. Ben won 2 superbowls, he's engineered a game winning drive, yet his 2 wins are not better than Jake's one loss. Homer hypocrisy at it's finest. You people used to take refuge in his playoff performance in the past, well that's nothing to hide behind now. You will see it when he walks in next year being the same old Jake we always knew. 3 pick performances every now and then. Whether you and I think he's going to be better, he's going to really break out, and I honestly hope he does, not for his sake, but for the Panthers, it isn't likely any time soon. If that makes me a hater in your eyes so be it, I'm not losing any sleep if I'm being marked as one.

I don't root for Jake because he's Jake, I root for Jake (believe it or not) because he happens to play on my favorite team, but in the meantime, I will call it like I see it, and the way I see it Jake's prime has come and gone, and the few times he was left without a running game to complement him this year he's been awful, and even when he's had the running game he's struggled. He's done well for himself without it before (2004, 2005), but that was before, not now. I don't give a fug if I don't have a say in the matter, I don't give a fug if I'm just a fan it's my opinion.

[Fox007]

Right. And I was pointing out that Ben himself pointed out that in the very next play that he thought it wasn't a great throw. Lots of quarterbacks have receivers that will make great catches. Randy Moss does it for Tom Brady, Larry Fitzgerald does it for Kurt Warner, Holmes did it for Big Ben. No one discredits those quarterbacks, but yet some of the big plays that Jake and Smith make, 100% of the credit goes to Smith, zero to Jake, according to the experts on here.

So?

I'm not talking about Jake in that clip am I?

You originally said Holmes bailed out Ben, to which I said, "right after he screwed up"

Both are true.

So yea, dunno what you are trying to do.

Maybe trying to prove or say that both were bad throws?

Really the game winner turned out to be a good throw, even if he didn't think it was seconds after release. The reality is the ball was placed in about the only place it could have and the WR made a heck of a catch.

He was just talking about his initial reaction, that doesn't make it a bad throw.

Good catch good throw, gg.

[panthers55]

The hardheadedness of this fanbase

seriously Jake critics have constantly been accused of not giving the guy any credit for anything, we're accused of skewing the stats to our advantage by people who do the exact same thing themselves to further their point.

What it comes down to is Ben Roethlisberger>Jake Delhomme. Ben won 2 superbowls, he's engineered a game winning drive, yet his 2 wins are not better than Jake's one loss. Homer hypocrisy at it's finest. You people used to take refuge in his playoff performance in the past, well that's nothing to hide behind now. You will see it when he walks in next year being the same old Jake we always knew. 3 pick performances every now and then. Whether you and I think he's going to be better, he's going to really break out, and I honestly hope he does, not for his sake, but for the Panthers, it isn't likely any time soon. If that makes me a hater in your eyes so be it, I'm not losing any sleep if I'm being marked as one.

I don't root for Jake because he's Jake, I root for Jake (believe it or not) because he happens to play on my favorite team, but in the meantime, I will call it like I see it, and the way I see it Jake's prime has come and gone, and the few times he was left without a running game to complement him this year he's been awful, and even when he's had the running game he's struggled. He's done well for himself without it before (2004, 2005), but that was before, not now. I don't give a f*ck if I don't have a say in the matter, I don't give a f*ck if I'm just a fan it's my opinion.

I totally agree with you. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, no matter how ignorant it is!!!

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[frash.exe]

I totally agree with you. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, no matter how ignorant it is!!!

:party:

well, coming from you, that's not necessarily an insult.

[panthers55]

well, coming from you, that's not necessarily an insult.

Exactly. I am a big proponent of everyone getting their say. And yes I picked up the sarcasm.