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MLB Devin Lloyd for WR Jalen Coker??

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4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Jags got BTJ and Hunter.   So you gotta start sliding that scale down to 3, 4, 5 area and competing there.   

Coker is cheap and promising.  XL or Tmac could get hurt or struggle.  That's his spot on the roster.  Basically everyone else is competing for slot or spread it out 4 wide type stuff. 

 

You know how hard it is for a player to play both sides in this era. If they do that, all it takes is to keep Hunter defending non-stop go-routes. He just will not be able, but a small package of plays, sure.

So they need a #2 for 80-90% of the snaps and/or #3 for 100% of the plays. Coker would hold plenty of value for them.  

On the Panthers roster, Im not sure he gets a jersey since he's limited on ST. 

Cokerheads just don't want to face the truth. 

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22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What "context" do you speak of? The context I'm speaking of is that outside of Theilen Coker was our most effective WR last year. Do you disagree with that?

The secondary context I was speaking of is just like most PFF d riders, it magically only matters when it fits your preferred narrative. When it doesn't, then all of a sudden there's some other "context" or something or the other that needs to come into play. LOL 

I've always said that PFF is a tool. If you don't know how to use it, or don't want to know how to use it, then it's useless. But some people actually do know how to use it---which is why it still exists and is used by all 32 NFL teams---and part of this is putting it all within context----seeing the bigger picture.

If you don't understand that not all players, develop at the same rate, have different levels of talent, have injuries that affect their play, and face different circumstances in regards to the opposition and coaching, for example, then I don't know what to tell you. Coaches set expectations based upon a variety of things, not only last year's stat sheet, which may have been brought about by dynamics that you, as a fan, may or may not understand. And even if you have some understanding of them, as a fan, you still will never have the clarity that they do---the concerns or the context that they do. As a fan, you should even be putting your lack of understanding their context, into context (and stop trying to act like you know something to be true based upon a bad season at the end of the day).

 

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4 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

I hadn't seen this, looks like he's back at 100% this week. He's been making plays in camp. He's definitely playing waaaay better than an UDFA.

He was on the "sideline" during OTA or mini camp, Im sure there was some Twitter/X post but news just moves so fast now. 

He's not getting the press as TMac or even Horn, but he is making plays. That's the other deal, Im a big fan of his!  Just in order to get great value you need to give value in return. I said he would have been a 3rd rounder in 2025 draft, he just had bad luck with injuries hurting his stock and coming out in a deep WR class.  

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2 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I've always said that PFF is a tool. If you don't know how to use it, or don't want to know how to use it, then it's useless. But some people actually do know how to use it---which is why it still exists and is used by all 32 NFL teams---and part of this is putting it all within context----seeing the bigger picture.

If you don't understand that not all players, develop at the same rate, have different levels of talent, have injuries that affect their play, and face different circumstances in regards to the opposition and coaching, for example, then I don't know what to tell you. Coaches set expectations based upon a variety of things, not only last year's stat sheet, which may have been brought about by dynamics that you, as a fan, may or may not understand. And even if you have some understanding of them, as a fan, you still will never have the clarity that they do---the concerns or the context that they do. As a fan, you should even be putting your lack of understanding their context, into context (and stop trying to act like you know something to be true based upon a bad season at the end of the day).

 

I'd love for you to go down to Panthers HQ and help them out with your expertise.

That was a whole lot of typing to say "it matters when it supports my point and it doesn't matter when it doesn't support my point." It's always the same story with all the "tools". LOL 

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I'm just enjoying watching two Panthers fans absolutely crashing out over the hypothetical pursuit of a LB that the 31st ranked defense in the league that spent a 1st round pick on the guy and is uncertain whether or not they want him to be to be a part of their future or not. Good stuff.

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22 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Cokerheads?

Did you come up with that all.on your own?  Gosh you must be proud. 

 

I mean, it's Cokeheads", and it's not the first time it's been referenced, but I doubt Basbear came up with it, but if he did it was clever. It's not even supposed to be a negative. Coker surely takes it in stride.

https://x.com/KeepBlitzin/status/1852078156187926695?t=skYhVRSVQBg2A9JEk6kSQg&s=19

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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd love for you to go down to Panthers HQ and help them out with your expertise.

That was a whole lot of typing to say "it matters when it supports my point and it doesn't matter when it doesn't support my point." It's always the same story with all the "tools". LOL 

No, it's a countering of your endless drivel of "strawmanning."

Furthermore, if you don't want an answer, don't ask questions.

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No, it's a countering of your endless drivel of "strawmanning."

LOLOLOLOLOL

I've very clearly laid out why I wouldn't do this. You haven't addressed any of it. All you've done is mid characterize arguments and make an ass of yourself, just like you did on the PFF thread. 

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

LOLOLOLOLOL

I've very clearly laid out why I wouldn't do this. You haven't addressed any of it. All you've done is mid characterize arguments and make an ass of yourself, just like you did on the PFF thread. 

No, I'm answering your weak-ass attempts at trolling. You're calling me an ass? Go look in the mirror! You're consistently the only mod that really is an ass. I 100 percent think that the mod power changed you for the worst (in that regard).  

You laid out your opinion. **standing ovation** Good for you. I gave my opinion as well, which is simply just that I'd keep an open mind about it depending upon the details. News flash: having an open mind and being willing and able to support an opinion on a football discussion board isn't being an ass. Making little offhanded comments about a person's intellect is being an ass. Being an ass is asking someone, "Do you understand English?" Now I wonder who did that.

Be a nicer person. You used to be. Stop subjecting the Huddle to your assholery!

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No, I'm answering your weak-ass attempts at trolling. You're calling me an ass? Go look in the mirror! You're consistently the only mod that really is an ass. I 100 percent think that the mod power changed you for the worst (in that regard).  

You laid out your opinion. **standing ovation** Good for you. I gave my opinion as well, which is simply just that I'd keep an open mind about it depending upon the details. News flash: having an open mind and being willing and able to support an opinion on a football discussion board isn't being an ass. Making little offhanded comments about a person's intellect is being an ass. Being an ass is asking someone, "Do you understand English?" Now I wonder who did that.

Be a nicer person. You used to be. Stop subjecting the Huddle to your assholery!

Did you really just type that and concluded with telling me to be a nicer person?

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You hypocrisy knows no bounds. You say that I make little comments about a person's intellect when you literally just made a post basically saying that you and NFL personnel were the only people smart enough to understand how to use tools like PFF.

 

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1 hour ago, amcoolio said:

Uh... Corey Brown was huge in our 2015 SB run. Made some monster playoff catches. 

TMJ, Gettis, Drew Carter, Mingo, Dwayne Jarrett, Ryne Robinson, Kealoha Pilares, Shi Smith, and Joe Adams could never be on Philly Brown's level

I was a Philly Brown truther and yeah he was actually really good for a while. But frankly Coker showed more last year than Philly B ever did. Honestly think Coker could reach peak Victor Cruz level

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Did you really just type that and concluded with telling me to be a nicer person?

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You hypocrisy knows no bounds. You say that I make little comments about a person's intellect when you literally just made a post basically saying that you and NFL personnel were the only people smart enough to understand how to use tools like PFF.

 

Did I say that? Try again. In fact, I said the exact opposite in several respects.

I don't run a football team, and I wouldn't presume to know what the ball boy knows, much less Eric Eager (for example). I can only know so much. 

I may question someone's opinion within the context of giving my own, but clowning people and personal insults are not my go-to style. Now, as some have learned over the more than last couple of decades, I can and will get stupid with people who get stupid with me.

 

 

 

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