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Gruden's NFCS breakdown.

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20 hours ago, UnluckyforSome said:

He will never get another coaching shot, even though he would certainly take it, if it came along. Winning the 1 and only Superbowl with Dungy's team, against his own former team, that reportedly didn't even change their calls, plays and signals, is what it is, I suppose. 

There is too much negative associated with him now. Rightfully or not, no one would risk their brand with him anymore.

They sure seem to give him a lot of access to not want to risk their brand with him. If there was a risk, he would have zero access to any NFL facilities. 

He also had the Raiders on the right path after what was a massive rebuilding operation when these emails leaked. What you say may be true, but what made him popular wasn't the Super Bowl. 

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19 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

They sure seem to give him a lot of access to not want to risk their brand with him. If there was a risk, he would have zero access to any NFL facilities. 

He also had the Raiders on the right path after what was a massive rebuilding operation when these emails leaked. What you say may be true, but what made him popular wasn't the Super Bowl. 

It would be kind of un-American to tell 32 owners that you must ban Jon Gruden. It would likely bring more public controversy as well.  It could give his lawsuit a little more credence also, where he says the NFL intentionally tried to damage his reputation. He probably has some enemies for sure however, and it probably predated the entire controversy. 

I can't say that I like or dislike the guy, but I probably wouldn't invite him for dinner. I don't think he's worse than a lot of people outside and inside the NFL; I'd prefer a more enlightened mind. I think that he was absolutely stupid, and maybe arrogant and too comfortable, to put some of the things that he said in writing. It shows a serious lack of judgement and understanding of the world.

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It would be kind of un-American to tell 32 owners that you must ban Jon Gruden. It would likely bring more public controversy as well.  It could give his lawsuit a little more credence also, where he says the NFL intentionally tried to damage his reputation. He probably has some enemies for sure however, and it probably predated the entire controversy. 

I can't say that I like or dislike the guy, but I probably wouldn't invite him for dinner. I don't think he's worse than a lot of people outside and inside the NFL; I'd prefer a more enlightened mind. I think that he was absolutely stupid, and maybe arrogant and too comfortable, to put some of the things that he said in writing. It shows a serious lack of judgement and understanding of the world.

It shows a serious lack of care about what other people think of him, which is quintessential Gruden and why a lot of people, including people in the NFL, love him. 

He said what people say behind closed doors and as I said in an earlier post, if he had the right melanin count, it wouldn't have mattered. It's such a non-issue he still has open access all across the NFL. It was much ado about nothing from a guy who has been one of the guys going back to the 90's. 

The entire era around when this happened will be looked back on with disdain by most everyone. 

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It shows a serious lack of care about what other people think of him, which is quintessential Gruden and why a lot of people, including people in the NFL, love him. 

He said what people say behind closed doors and as I said in an earlier post, if he had the right melanin count, it wouldn't have mattered. It's such a non-issue he still has open access all across the NFL. It was much ado about nothing from a guy who has been one of the guys going back to the 90's. 

The entire era around when this happened will be looked back on with disdain by most everyone. 

He is free to make his takes and analysis as he wants. There are no restrictions on his ability to scowl and mean mug and make Chucky faces all day. But he is no longer attached to a team, a representative of a team, and does not speak in an official capacity for the NFL. It's fine to not agree, or to agree, with him being out of the game, and I have no doubts that he loves the game, but there are consequences to actions and choices.

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He is free to make his takes and analysis as he wants. There are no restrictions on his ability to scowl and mean mug and make Chucky faces all day. But he is no longer attached to a team, a representative of a team, and does not speak in an official capacity for the NFL. It's fine to not agree, or to agree, with him being out of the game, and I have no doubts that he loves the game, but there are consequences to actions and choices.

What actions, exactly? It’s funny how one email about a dudes mouth overrides 35 years of working experience all because you’re a little more pale than the person you commented on. 
 

He got comfortable believing he was one of the guys and someone LEAKED EMAILS which, right or wrong, were stolen. 
 

He does still represent the NFL. He gets access to facilities, to players, to coaches, to playbooks. He gets asked for evaluations. That’s a lot more involved than some random YouTuber. You understand that, right?

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What actions, exactly? It’s funny how one email about a dudes mouth overrides 35 years of working experience all because you’re a little more pale than the person you commented on. 
 

He got comfortable believing he was one of the guys and someone LEAKED EMAILS which, right or wrong, were stolen. 
 

He does still represent the NFL. He gets access to facilities, to players, to coaches, to playbooks. He gets asked for evaluations. That’s a lot more involved than some random YouTuber. You understand that, right?

Not my responsibility to advocate or defend him. He made his choices. I do understand that you feel certain ways. Good for you.

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What actions, exactly? It’s funny how one email about a dudes mouth overrides 35 years of working experience all because you’re a little more pale than the person you commented on. 
 

He got comfortable believing he was one of the guys and someone LEAKED EMAILS which, right or wrong, were stolen. 
 

He does still represent the NFL. He gets access to facilities, to players, to coaches, to playbooks. He gets asked for evaluations. That’s a lot more involved than some random YouTuber. You understand that, right?

I mean, you keep saying that, but Gruden was wrong. It is pretty accepted for people in a specific ethnic group to use disparaging terms about one another, but it's entirely different if someone outside a specific racial group talks about someone in another disparagingly. It is two totally different things. Gruden knew that. Everyone, not living in a hole, knows that. Moreover, he used other misogynistic and homophobic language reportedly several instances over several years. The NFL, and many companies, aren't going to allow that. It's bad for business. That being said, if someone wants to give him another chance, it's OK. In fact, he was never banned or even suspended. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/nfl-insider-gets-honest-jon-180754888.html

I will say that technically he doesn't represent the NFL until he's employed by the NFL. That hasn't been since 2021. But it sounds like he's going to get his chance to officially rep the league again. He just has to play nice.

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The defense of Gruden is wild to me.

I don’t know anything about racist stuff.  I heard the reason he resigned was when it came out he said misogynistic and homophonic things. Sounds like a bit of a jerk and in my opinion his analysis was never that good anyways. Not like I was clamoring to hear what this guy had to say. Also, part of what came out was he said players who protested during games should be fired, including Carolina Panther Eric Reid. So this guy was about as pro cancel culture as you get. 

None of this is huge. I’m not saying he is the worst person. but seems weird that people on a Panthers message board are defending a mediocre media personality who is pro cancel culture, coached a decision rival, and tried to get one of our players cancelled. Then on top of it said some ignorant stuff about gay people. 

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He thought because people praise him for telling it like it is, that he could do that in other arenas and he was wrong. I didn't like his announcing but I respected his offensive game planning when he was coaching in Tampa. But I didn't think he managed his quarterbacks well and think Canales is got a much better temperament for success. Chucky was never great managing players but overall his players liked him.

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