Special Teams Oddities (laces out?)

[drectorscut]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Death. Taxes. The Panthers special teams looking like deep fried butt juice no matter how many times the names change.

At this point it's a tradition.

Our kickoff coverage was exceptional in the first preseason game, which is what this thread is discussing.

[frankw]

15 minutes ago, drectorscut said:

Our kickoff coverage was exceptional in the first preseason game, which is what this thread is discussing.

That's certainly a take.

[drectorscut]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

That's certainly a take.

Care to elaborate why you disagree? We kicked the ball off 3 times and we kept the Browns to starting field position of the 22, 27, and 10 (would have been 21 before a penalty). All 3 of those are successes with the modern kickoff rule.

[Panther53521]

You want to bounce, and hope for an ugly bounce to prevent kick return from getting a run start.

next step is: the returners will try to side up, then you want the ball to bounce and go through the end zone to start on the 20

[frankw]

2 hours ago, drectorscut said:

Care to elaborate why you disagree? We kicked the ball off 3 times and we kept the Browns to starting field position of the 22, 27, and 10 (would have been 21 before a penalty). All 3 of those are successes with the modern kickoff rule.

The special teams are judged as a complete unit. We can kickoff but we still can't field a punt. When we can successfully do both I'll feel better.

Edited August 13, 2025 by frankw

[CRA]

26 minutes ago, frankw said:

The special teams are judged as a complete unit. We can kickoff but we still can't field a punt. When we can successfully do both I'll feel better.

Etienne has 2 total college punt returns.  He is not a returner. 

Horn had 14 total college punt returns. He showed improvement in college from Jr to Sr year. 

Blackshear has 23 NFL punt returns

Renfrow has 70 NFL punt returns

I say let Renfrow open the year and you let Horn work on them and eventually let him audition to take it away from Renfrow at PR. 

Let Etienne, XL and whoever take turns at KR. 

Blackshear isn't a good enough returner to get a roster spot for returning. 

[frankw]

56 minutes ago, CRA said:

Etienne has 2 total college punt returns.  He is not a returner. 

Horn had 14 total college punt returns. He showed improvement in college from Jr to Sr year. 

Blackshear has 23 NFL punt returns

Renfrow has 70 NFL punt returns

I say let Renfrow open the year and you let Horn work on them and eventually let him audition to take it away from Renfrow at PR. 

Let Etienne, XL and whoever take turns at KR. 

Blackshear isn't a good enough returner to get a roster spot for returning. 

Alternate between Renfro and Blackshear for now. Simply not muffing the punt is the current goal.

As far as Horn goes I'd prefer to not tempt fate with that one given our investment.

[Camp Fodder]

15 hours ago, frankw said:

Alternate between Renfro and Blackshear for now. Simply not muffing the punt is the current goal.

As far as Horn goes I'd prefer to not tempt fate with that one given our investment.

I am assuming they met Jimmy, not JC

[BlazeCarolina]

1 hour ago, Camp Fodder said:

I am assuming they met Jimmy, not JC

Agreed.  Jimmy got that shhhpeeed.  No one has been talking about Jaycee returning anything but to the field and staying there.

[frankw]

3 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

I am assuming they met Jimmy, not JC

Sorry I'm used to identifying any mention of the name Horn with automatic caution.

Jimmy could be an improvement. Honestly have no idea why they put green Etienne out there returning a punt before him.

[CRA]

36 minutes ago, frankw said:

Sorry I'm used to identifying any mention of the name Horn with automatic caution.

Jimmy could be an improvement. Honestly have no idea why they put green Etienne out there returning a punt before him.

99% of the time I actually go both our Horn's Joe Horn.  So I only type Horn. 

[BlazeCarolina]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Sorry I'm used to identifying any mention of the name Horn with automatic caution.

Jimmy could be an improvement. Honestly have no idea why they put green Etienne out there returning a punt before him.

Preseason doesn't matter, so best time for Etienne to get some live reps and see how it goes.

Same can be said for Jimmy, but who knows what their plans are right now.