Be careful what you wish for

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

I’m suspicious of his arm for sure. 

I'm not saying he has a big arm. I'm saying he at least can chunck it 40 yards. Why we don't take more shots is a mystery. 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

In the nfl he hasn't thrown many at all. Thats on the coaches.

Every pass over 30 or more in his career has been incomplete if NexGen is correct.    I don't think it is all on the coaches just not asking him enough. 

 

[Shotgun]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Every pass over 30 or more in his career has been incomplete if NexGen is correct.    I don't think it is all on the coaches just not asking him enough. 

 

I think the coaches don’t want opponents to see his limited range. I don’t think it’s a secret at this point though. 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Every pass over 30 or more in his career has been incomplete if NexGen is correct.    I don't think it is all on the coaches just not asking him enough. 

 

Well im sure some were drops if you look at each one. I'm not interested enough to look. It doesn't matter if he can throw it a mile at this point. He's just not an nfl qb.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

Well im sure some were drops if you look at each one. I'm not interested enough to look. It doesn't matter if he can throw it a mile at this point. He's just not an nfl qb.

I think his placement on deep balls is more often than not, just bad.   When it comes to downfield balls, Bryce generally makes life hard.   

You actually don't need a cannon for the vertical stuff on the sidelines.  Some of the best deep throwers really are just well placed lobs. .   Now the deep middle? Yeah, I like a strong arm. 

Bryce never really sets up a WR to go get it.  If you get in position and beat your guy he is going to turn it into a 50/50 letting the defender contest it or make you have to worry about staying in bounds. 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think his placement on deep balls is more often than not, just bad.   When it comes to downfield balls, Bryce generally makes life hard.   

You actually don't need a cannon for the vertical stuff on the sidelines.  Some of the best deep throwers really are just well placed lobs. .   Now the deep middle? Yeah, I like a strong arm. 

Bryce never really sets up a WR to go get it.  If you get in position and beat your guy he is going to turn it into a 50/50 letting the defender contest it or make you have to worry about staying in bounds. 

Like I said, it doesn't matter how far he can or cannot throw the ball. Most (95%) of the game is played within 20 yards of the line of scrimmage anyway. Having a big arm is plus for sure but not completely necessary. Height and  weight is up there and I would argue more important than arm strength. Accuracy and being able to function under pressure is priority number 1 if you ask me.

[strato]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think his placement on deep balls is more often than not, just bad.   When it comes to downfield balls, Bryce generally makes life hard.   

You actually don't need a cannon for the vertical stuff on the sidelines.  Some of the best deep throwers really are just well placed lobs. .   Now the deep middle? Yeah, I like a strong arm. 

Bryce never really sets up a WR to go get it.  If you get in position and beat your guy he is going to turn it into a 50/50 letting the defender contest it or make you have to worry about staying in bounds. 

Agree. There may be one or two times where he hit someone in stride or put it out there for a WR to go get it but I struggle to recall them.  

[strato]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

It wasn't a designated thrower. Reich decided to let Andy do it because he thought Bryce hurt his shoulder the weak before. It was the wrong decision then and it pissed Young and Tepper off. He should have let him throw it anyway, even if he thought he couldn't. It was another reason he got fired. 

Btw I am glad this came up because it is a good story. I guess that is subjective but I liked it. 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, strato said:

Btw I am glad this came up because it is a good story. I guess that is subjective but I liked it. 

Well if you can find the interviews you can put the pieces together. There was some tension during and after the game. It was the sign that Frank was a dead man walking.  The was other clues leading up to that game that let me know the knives were out in BOA but I couldn't prove it until the Seattle game when he started Dalton and completely changed the play sheet. That was a FU to Tepper and Fitterer.

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Like I said, it doesn't matter how far he can or cannot throw the ball. Most (95%) of the game is played within 20 yards of the line of scrimmage anyway. Having a big arm is plus for sure but not completely necessary. Height and  weight is up there and I would argue more important than arm strength. Accuracy and being able to function under pressure is priority number 1 if you ask me.

and most really good QBs are nickel and diming folks these days because the league really fixates now on sitting in 2 high shell these days to take away those deeper balls (big shift to those 2 high S looks in recent years).    But with Bryce teams aren't having to devote energy to taking that away and it impacts coverage elsewhere.  

You see that with S play for example vs Bryce.   Makes his intermediate passing more difficult. 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

and most really good QBs are nickel and diming folks these days because the league really fixates now on sitting in 2 high shell these days to take away those deeper balls (big shift to those 2 high S looks in recent years).    But with Bryce teams aren't having to devote energy to taking that away and it impacts coverage elsewhere.  

You see that with S play for example vs Bryce.   Makes his intermediate passing more difficult. 

That and Canales has been figured out.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

That and Canales has been figured out.

I think Canales paired w/ Bryce has been figured out.  

I think Canales is pretty simplistic.  Which he told us when we hired him.   You need a QB like Baker he is flat out going to make big throws downfield.  Or a Jake.  He isn't some modern day scheme dude.  Run run set up the downfield stuff.  It's not going to be the scheme but players that win.  I mean, it's not literally every possession but that was every passing O Canales has ever been around and it's the core of what his O is structured to be. 

Bryce doesn't fit that.  Bryce needs a modern day playcaller and scheme w/ the weapons to go with it.  Dave issue is the same as the Frank issue ultimately.  We got a front office that is building something that actually syncs up.  Failure by design. 

If you wanted Bryce, you don't hire Frank.  Or Dave.  And you don't draft XL.  You draft Ladd.  Carolina makes simple hard.   Which you see that a lot in life. 

[strato]

11 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

…….

I couldn't prove it until the Seattle game when he started Dalton and completely changed the play sheet. That was a FU to Tepper and Fitterer.

And it was glorious. 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I think Canales paired w/ Bryce has been figured out.  

I think Canales is pretty simplistic.  Which he told us when we hired him.   You need a QB like Baker he is flat out going to make big throws downfield.  Or a Jake.  He isn't some modern day scheme dude.  Run run set up the downfield stuff.  It's not going to be the scheme but players that win.  I mean, it's not literally every possession but that was every passing O Canales has ever been around and it's the core of what his O is structured to be. 

Bryce doesn't fit that.  Bryce needs a modern day playcaller and scheme w/ the weapons to go with it.  Dave issue is the same as the Frank issue ultimately.  We got a front office that is building something that actually syncs up.  Failure by design. 

If you wanted Bryce, you don't hire Frank.  Or Dave.  And you don't draft XL.  You draft Ladd.  Carolina makes simple hard.   Which you see that a lot in life. 

We have always done things the hard way. It's due to a lack of leadership and vision. They solely rely on pure luck and they don't have any.