Mayock on Gabbert

[mountainpantherfan]

This is a review of Newton on NFL.com

Not proficient at going through his progressions or making NFL reads. Doesn't anticipate receivers getting open, must see them in a window. Inconsistent accuracy due to poor footwork and falling away to avoid a big hit. Despite athleticism, needs to improve his drop mechanics and the finer points of pocket mobility.

The bolded section is the most alarming to me. I've read a lot of analisys about Newton not going through progressions but if the tape is showing that he won't throw to a reciever unless they are in a window, that means Newton is more likely to resemble Clausen than Big Ben.

That really is a big negative and one that is hard to teach. I've actually said it many times that I thought Newton reminded me more of Steve Young than any other QB and just thinking back, Newton in Carolina could be as bad as Young was in Tampa. Newton may need to go to a West Coast Offense to be successful.

With that said look at the same review of Gabbert.

Trusts his arm too much and puts the ball in harm's way too often. Does not show good touch on passes over the middle and needs to learn to take a little velocity off certain throws. Struggles to throw an accurate deep ball. Late feeling pressure at times which neutralizes his very good mobility. Will need to learn a pro style offense.

Again, based on the type of offense we think Chud is going to run, Gabbert has a really bad compatiblity as well. His worst and most inaccurate throws are the long ball. Probably also more of an WCO type of QB or may be able to play in an EP system since he is given credit for being able to make great reads.

Find that QB that compares favorably with Phillip Rivers or Troy Aikman and then you will sell me on drafting that QB at #1 overall. Until then, I think other options would be better than Newton or Gabbert at this point.

[bornnraisedwhodat]

I hope u guys dont draft Cam Newton because I do not want to have to face that freakish dude twice a year. He will have his slumps but the guy is a beast. With good coaching and a good scheme, he could be a freakin monster. Please, go dlineman!:D

[PanthersGuy74]

The Panthers would be making a huge mistake by drafting Blaine Gabbert.

[teeray]

Experts would say top ten or top five, which sounds reasonable to me. Just not to us in our situation.

We already have two young prospects on roster, one of whom was taken with our top pick last season. We don't need any more youth.

Better to sign or trade for a couple of veteran free agents (maybe Matt Moore being one) and use the number one on another need position.

I politely disagree on your QB plan. But i admit that is a serious possibility. My personal belief is that if a guy is top ten he is worthy of the number one pick.

:)

[teeray]

he does but how many times is that going to happen on the next level. not many. it's about how you handle pressure when that big 6'5 275 de is breathing down your back how are you going to respond.

when it's 3' 8 and you need a first to keep the drive moving for a game winning field goal. are you willing to man up and delivery a strike or turn clausenisque.

My concern as well. But that is something any QB will have to contend with.

From the games I have seen, whenever the kid even thinks he is being pressured he panics.

[MHS831]

Well said! There's also something to be said for someone who's a winner. Oh, and what's to be said for College football if Auburn and Cam won the NC with such a simple system, and remember they won because of Cam, not in spite of.

So you two (Panther 55) are qualified to tell a college psychology professor that his concerns about a player with so many red flags are unjustifed and do not reflect character issues that are problematic (historically) in the NFL? AM I hearing you right? And you have enough about me in my comments to accuse me of being prejudice?

Are you kidding or just dumbasses?

[teeray]

So you two (Panther 55) are qualified to tell a college psychology professor that his concerns about a player with so many red flags are unjustifed and do not reflect character issues that are problematic (historically) in the NFL? AM I hearing you right? And you have enough about me in my comments to accuse me of being prejudice?

Are you kidding or just dumbasses?

I respect your professorial endeavors. I wold just say that some of these red flags are manufactured in my opinion.

I also comes down to who you believe.

The only one that even really concerns me is the laptop thing. It comes down to whether you believe that he bought a stolen laptop or stole a laptop.

But then he has made strides to repent for that mistake. That is why he has been going to the elementary school and working with those kids.

The cheating allegations are just that allegations. Cam continues to say that he wasn't facing expulsion and he wasn't kicked off the team. He left bc he wanted to play and he was buried behind The Golden Calf of Bristol.

Whether you believe that or not is up to you.

The NCAA does a thorough job with their investigations. They don't believe he had any knowledge of the pay for play scheme. A lot of media types have said that is impossible but they also don't have access to the information gathered by the NCAA. In other words, it is the media types opinion although there is no evidence to that he did.

So some of this stuff is over blown, poorly reported, or even possibly false.

He definitely has some explaining to do and it will likely come down to simply. "do you believe him". Many will and many won't. But it will eventually come down to whether Hurney and Rivera believe him.

[MHS831]

I respect your professorial endeavors. I wold just say that some of these red flags are manufactured in my opinion.

I also comes down to who you believe.

The only one that even really concerns me is the laptop thing. It comes down to whether you believe that he bought a stolen laptop or stole a laptop.

But then he has made strides to repent for that mistake. That is why he has been going to the elementary school and working with those kids.

The cheating allegations are just that allegations. Cam continues to say that he wasn't facing expulsion and he wasn't kicked off the team. He left bc he wanted to play and he was buried behind The Golden Calf of Bristol.

Whether you believe that or not is up to you.

The NCAA does a thorough job with their investigations. They don't believe he had any knowledge of the pay for play scheme. A lot of media types have said that is impossible but they also don't have access to the information gathered by the NCAA. In other words, it is the media types opinion although there is no evidence to that he did.

So some of this stuff is over blown, poorly reported, or even possibly false.

He definitely has some explaining to do and it will likely come down to simply. "do you believe him". Many will and many won't. But it will eventually come down to whether Hurney and Rivera believe him.

Teeray,

He didn't know the laptop was stolen, he was accused of cheating and left school, he didn't know his father was pimping him, etc. Right. Where there is smoke...

Why is everyone so willing to dismiss years of questionable antics but accept a few months of good football? He is not what he appears to be. Without talking to him, I would say the red flags are real. They need to be investigated. Since your info is limited, how can you and others endorse him so religiously? Do you want to know? I have been around college kids a lot. I would be surprised if he passes the interview with the Panthers.

I admire loyalty too. And the only reason I mentioned my profession is because I was discussing things I know a lot about and a few pinheads decided to take shots at me personally. I am surprised they have yet to respond. They are probably at the ER telling doctors how to treat patients before heading over to the courthouse to consult a few defense attorneys.

[MHS831]

This is a review of Newton on NFL.com

The bolded section is the most alarming to me. I've read a lot of analisys about Newton not going through progressions but if the tape is showing that he won't throw to a reciever unless they are in a window, that means Newton is more likely to resemble Clausen than Big Ben.

That really is a big negative and one that is hard to teach. I've actually said it many times that I thought Newton reminded me more of Steve Young than any other QB and just thinking back, Newton in Carolina could be as bad as Young was in Tampa. Newton may need to go to a West Coast Offense to be successful.

With that said look at the same review of Gabbert.

Again, based on the type of offense we think Chud is going to run, Gabbert has a really bad compatiblity as well. His worst and most inaccurate throws are the long ball. Probably also more of an WCO type of QB or may be able to play in an EP system since he is given credit for being able to make great reads.

Find that QB that compares favorably with Phillip Rivers or Troy Aikman and then you will sell me on drafting that QB at #1 overall. Until then, I think other options would be better than Newton or Gabbert at this point.

Good stuff. Basically, you are (like me) afraid of these QBs in the first round. Who do you like, if any?

[logic1977]

So you two (Panther 55) are qualified to tell a college psychology professor that his concerns about a player with so many red flags are unjustifed and do not reflect character issues that are problematic (historically) in the NFL? AM I hearing you right? And you have enough about me in my comments to accuse me of being prejudice?

Are you kidding or just dumbasses?

What is with the chest thumping about being a professor? And aren't you jumping to just as many conclusions about Cam based on what few comments that are available ?

[mountainpantherfan]

Good stuff. Basically, you are (like me) afraid of these QBs in the first round. Who do you like, if any?

I don't have a horse in the race right now but in my opinion Von Miller is the best player in this class. Just not a position you take at #1 overall and we don't really need a LB. Not to mention most think he would be best as an OLB in a 3-4. I also like Kyle Rudolph but again wrong position at #1.

I think a lot of players are being talked about at #1 because of their position not so much the player. QB, DT, DE, OT, these are the positions that are normally selected #1 overall, and I just don't see a player at those positions that is deserving of being selected at #1 overall.

If I had to decide right now I would probably go with Patrick Peterson. On my big board (which isn't worth poo as I'm just a fan with little inside knowledge so just keep that in mind) I have Von Miller 1 and Peterson 2. However, I do agree with Huney that the pick should be an impact player at an impact position and I don't see that in Peterson, outside of a chance of him being the Devin Hester in the return game. AJ Green is 3 followed by Rudolph.

Like I said, I really don't have a horse in this race right now and I'm all over the place. The only thing I do know is that the usual suspects are more reaches then actual quality picks.

[nagai]

lol I know many psychologists, they're not psychics. They only try and explain the phenomena they see. To flash this psychology lecturer card is hence a huge fallacy, because it doesn't point to what psychologists really do.

[Jackofalltrades]

I also comes down to who you believe.

The only one that even really concerns me is the laptop thing. It comes down to whether you believe that he bought a stolen laptop or stole a laptop.

The laptop isn't a matter of belief, it's a matter of fact. The only reason he wasn't arrested and prosecuted is because the owner of the comp dropped charges because he fear retaliation from members of the football team.

[mav1234]

I dunno it'd be fun to have a player who refers to himself in the third person. It might be a good way for him to deal with the struggles as a rookie: "Man, Cam Newton didn't look good at there but you know, Cam Newton's going to keep working on it."