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Hubbard says he might have rushed back

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11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd agree.

Even with Hubbard's contract? 

We have an easy out after this season with marginal dead cap. Could be smart given the situation and RB landscape. 

This part isn’t at you—but in general:

None of these guys are world beaters — sure they have been great for us at times but I just hope we don’t get this emotional investment paired with financials. I don’t think we need to teget all antsy about keeping Dowdle when he’ll be 28 next year.

I don’t mind just continuously taking a stab in the late rounds every year on one.  We should not be investing in one guy in particular when they’re not really a game breaker. See: Sanders, Hubbard, etc. 

I’d say heck yes, take a shot at a guy high up if you’re convinced you’ve landed a Gibbs or Taylor level, but otherwise, don’t invest, don’t get emotional about a 3-4 game stretch. Reset and see what type of committee you can construct with fresh legs. 

 

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22 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

 I’d say heck yes, take a shot at a guy high up if you’re convinced you’ve landed a Gibbs or Taylor level, but otherwise, don’t invest, don’t get emotional about a 3-4 game stretch. Reset and see what type of committee you can construct with fresh legs. 

Agree with everything.  But, yeah I'll take the committee over the top draft pick.  The top draft pick RB almost never pans out.  It's early but Ashton Jeanty looks pedestrian.  Bijan Robinson is good, but was he really worth that pick?  Gibbs and Taylor are good but Gibbs is part of a tandem and has Taylor even been on a winning team?

I'm just not sure its a formula that works particularly well.  When the Eagles signed Saquon in FA they already knew that he was that guy at the NFL level.

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1 hour ago, Bear Hands said:

We have an easy out after this season with marginal dead cap. Could be smart given the situation and RB landscape. 

This part isn’t at you—but in general:

None of these guys are world beaters — sure they have been great for us at times but I just hope we don’t get this emotional investment paired with financials. I don’t think we need to teget all antsy about keeping Dowdle when he’ll be 28 next year.

I don’t mind just continuously taking a stab in the late rounds every year on one.  We should not be investing in one guy in particular when they’re not really a game breaker. See: Sanders, Hubbard, etc. 

I’d say heck yes, take a shot at a guy high up if you’re convinced you’ve landed a Gibbs or Taylor level, but otherwise, don’t invest, don’t get emotional about a 3-4 game stretch. Reset and see what type of committee you can construct with fresh legs. 

I don't think you absolutely have to have a "world beater" if you have a stellar offensive line.

Not against fishing for a guy like that but a two back rotation behind a good set of uglies can work just as well.

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8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't think you absolutely have to have a "world beater" if you have a stellar offensive line.

Not against fishing for a guy like that but a two back rotation behind a good set of uglies can work just as well.

Precisely.

It’s why some teams are fine with the committees and they work out great. Others feel like they’ve found “a guy” but that’s where I caution us to jump too quickly to a conclusion just because of a few games.

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1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Agree with everything.  But, yeah I'll take the committee over the top draft pick.  The top draft pick RB almost never pans out.  It's early but Ashton Jeanty looks pedestrian.  Bijan Robinson is good, but was he really worth that pick?  Gibbs and Taylor are good but Gibbs is part of a tandem and has Taylor even been on a winning team?

I'm just not sure it’s a formula that works particularly well.  When the Eagles signed Saquon in FA they already knew that he was that guy at the NFL level.

I think Gibbs is special, but you’re right, some of the top investments have proven to not be much different than some 2nds and 3rds. Taylor for example is on an MVP level season. James Cook is doing better than Breece Hall for example.

Raiders weren’t in a good spot to draft Jeanty. Same with the Falcons/Bijan. 

You gotta swing at the right time — the investment shouldn’t come too early. You almost have to stumble into a guy mid to late rounds while building or find that guy to put you over the top when the team is finally well rounded.

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I agree it is more about the OL. If you happen to have a world beater with a great OL then that’s better obviously but you don’t need to have that. 
Capable and durable guys that can get to the second level with good blocking can be plenty.  

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      I agree it is more about the OL. If you happen to have a world beater with a great OL then that’s better obviously but you don’t need to have that.  Capable and durable guys that can get to the second level with good blocking can be plenty.  
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      I think Gibbs is special, but you’re right, some of the top investments have proven to not be much different than some 2nds and 3rds. Taylor for example is on an MVP level season. James Cook is doing better than Breece Hall for example. Raiders weren’t in a good spot to draft Jeanty. Same with the Falcons/Bijan.  You gotta swing at the right time — the investment shouldn’t come too early. You almost have to stumble into a guy mid to late rounds while building or find that guy to put you over the top when the team is finally well rounded.
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