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21 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

There are about 25 currently starting QB's in the NFL better than Bryce. A handful of backups, as well.

Odd...Ive been assured (repeatedly) that he's not only the worst in the NFL right now but also the worst in league history 🤔

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24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Keep trying, dude 😄

You never did clarify whether you actually believe what you're saying now or just sh-tposting again though 🤔

Let me clarify, your Scott Fitterer arguments were horrible.  That is sincere.   It was at the time as well.  So is not wanting to hear them ever again.  That is not poo posting. 

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2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

I don’t understand how anyone is shitting on evero

The game is more than the final drive of the 4th quarter. They held the saints below the league average in points.

it sounds like people are upset the panthers don’t have many players that can actually make a game winning play and that’s what happens when you dedicate three drafts and free agent periods trying to make Bryce an nfl qb

Evero should have been fired after last season's historic sh-t bomb.

He's arguably better this season, but still not good enough. 

Not that it matters though given he's likely gone next season regardless. 

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1 minute ago, CRA said:

Let me clarify, your Scott Fitterer arguments were horrible.  That is sincere.   It was at the time as well.  So is not wanting to hear them ever again.  That is not poo posting. 

So basically, "I never again wanna talk about that thing that I'm actually the one who brought up".

Okay? 🤔

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Odd...Ive been assured (repeatedly) that he's not only the worst in the NFL right now but also the worst in league history 🤔

You have been been told he is the worst starting QB since 2023.  Anyone technically worse has been benched, team moved them or they are new and don’t have the same time in yet.   It’s not hard to understand.  You can simply choose to pretend you don’t.  Zero teams have stuck with a QB as bad as Bryce over the past 3 seasons.  

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8 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

I don’t understand how anyone is shitting on evero

The game is more than the final drive of the 4th quarter. They held the saints below the league average in points.

it sounds like people are upset the panthers don’t have many players that can actually make a game winning play and that’s what happens when you dedicate three drafts and free agent periods trying to make Bryce an nfl qb

Honestly, given how historically abysmal our D was last year, I think everyone would've happily taken a league average D going into this season and that's basically what we've been. The D has improved leaps and bounds. It's still not good but it's not that bad either. The problem is that the offense is still pretty abysmal for the same reason - we're handcuffed at the QB position. And when you're handcuffed at QB the margin of error shrinks to near nothing.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Evero should have been fired after last season's historic sh-t bomb.

He's arguably better this season, but still not good enough. 

Not that it matters though given he's likely gone next season regardless. 

There isn’t a coach in the league who could do more with this collection of players on defense. The panthers have a DB, a DT, and nine guys named Steve. 

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Just now, CRA said:

You have been been told he is the worst starting QB since 2023.  Anyone technically worse has been benched, team moved them or they are new and don’t have the same time in yet.   It’s not hard to understand.  You can simply choose to pretend you don’t.  Zero teams have stuck with a QB as bad as Bryce over the past 3 seasons.  

So, you've never said he was the worst in NFL history or anything like that...

Right? 🤔

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1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

There isn’t a coach in the league who could do more with this collection of players on defense. The panthers have a DB, a DT, and nine guys named Steve. 

Eeehh, I don't know that is go that far.

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

So basically, "I never again wanna talk about that thing that I'm actually the one who brought up".

Okay? 🤔

Having to correct your inaccurate Matt Rhule take….isn’t wanting to talk about your Scott Fitterer defense.  It’s just correcting the record.  

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, given how historically abysmal our D was last year, I think everyone would've happily taken a league average D going into this season and that's basically what we've been. The D has improved leaps and bounds. The problem is that the offense is still pretty abysmal for the same reason - we're handcuffed at the QB position.

Improved I'd go with, though "leaps and bounds" feels like a stretch, especially after today. 

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