Cam Newton Workout 3/16

[Mr. Scot]

Honestly, the better buzzword right now is "due diligence".

They're going to scout and investigate Newton thoroughly, and do likewise with the others they're interested in.

In the end, even if they were to look at a certain guy and decide "I don't want this loser", they'll still act like they're interested if they think someone else might offer them a good trade.

In all likelihood though, those decisions aren't made yet.

[Marguide]

Allowed? Sure.

Doesn't really happen much though. Once they've had the team visit, they tend to know what they need to.

Thanks.

This just seems like a unique situation, in that the team is apparently considering two QB's that clearly have some kinks to work out. If it was me, I would want to follow their progress closely without relying on outside reports. If they see encouraging progress, they pull the trigger. If not, they go a different direction.

Its a good bet that we will have a rookie wage scale, so its not like the team's interest could lead the subject's agent to think they had them in their hip pocket.

Just a thought.

[Mr. Scot]

Thanks.

This just seems like a unique situation, in that the team is apparently considering two QB's that clearly have some kinks to work out. If it was me, I would want to follow their progress closely without relying on outside reports. If they see encouraging progress, they pull the trigger. If not, they go a different direction.

Its a good bet that we will have a rookie wage scale, so its not like the team's interest could lead the subject's agent to think they had them in their hip pocket.

Just a thought.

There's a lot of pro days and workouts to go to over the next month. Gotta remember they're not just scouting the first round. They're scouting for every pick down to the last one. And once all the scouting is done, you have to get everyone together and build your "draft board".

With all that to do, it's tough to spend too much time on any single prospect.

[teeray]

Honestly, the better buzzword right now is "due diligence".

They're going to scout and investigate Newton thoroughly, and do likewise with the others they're interested in.

In the end, even if they were to look at a certain guy and decide "I don't want this loser", they'll still act like they're interested if they think someone else might offer them a good trade.

In all likelihood though, those decisions aren't made yet.

For all the Anti-Cam crowd you better hope you are right.

There is a lot of time left but look at the evidence:

1- Reports that the FO doesn't believe in Clausen

2- Reports they aren't really interested in Gabbert

3- Reports that they aren't sold on drafting d-line.

4- Rivera's praise of Cam at the combine.

5- sending 6 people to his pro day

6- Having dinner with him

7- scheduling ANOTHER private workout

8- Bringing him to Charlotte before the draft.

I know a lot of this could be a smokescreen or due diligence.

But if it isn't, well, it is a pretty clear indication that not only are we considering him, he is likely the front runner.

Considering that we have also already seen Fairley and Dareus at the combine and pro day and haven't scheduled any of these things (that we are aware of).

So it is looking like one of two things. This is just a smoke screen or due diligence.

Or Cam is the real deal front runner.

[CarolinaVeins]

I believe Cam is the front runner and it also seems like Cam is constantly being thrown in the FO faces

[teeray]

I believe Cam is the front runner and it also seems like Cam is constantly being thrown in the FO faces

Second part is very true. Rivera has been asked about him so much that some of his comments should be taken as coach speak.

[Mr. Scot]

Ah, but take a look at each of those things objectively.

For all the Anti-Cam crowd you better hope you are right.

There is a lot of time left but look at the evidence:

1- Reports that the FO doesn't believe in Clausen - Who are those reports coming from, though? Yasinskas says Hurney and Richardson are in his corner. And while Rivera's public statements don't endorse him, he's also said last year isn't "a fair test".

2- Reports they aren't really interested in Gabbert - From a "league source" via Don Banks. Now, do we know for certain that this info actually came from the Panthers? If you think so, you might want to check out the next item.

3- Reports that they aren't sold on drafting d-line. - That was reported by Joe Person, again citing league sources. But Person, in that same report also said that per his source, the Panthers were going to be taking "a long look" at Blaine Gabbert. So which "league source" is telling the truth?

4- Rivera's praise of Cam at the combine. - He was asked. What would you expect him to say?

5- sending 6 people to his pro day - He's a potential #1 pick. They're going to take a close look at him, and well they should.

6- Having dinner with him - See above.

7- scheduling ANOTHER private workout - See above, above.

8- Bringing him to Charlotte before the draft. - That's the same as number seven.

I know a lot of this could be a smokescreen or due diligence.

But if it isn't, well, it is a pretty clear indication that not only are we considering him, he is likely the front runner.

Considering that we have also already seen Fairley and Dareus at the combine and pro day and haven't scheduled any of these things (that we are aware of).

So it is looking like one of two things. This is just a smoke screen or due diligence.

Or Cam is the real deal front runner.

See, this early in the process, I wouldn't bet on their being a "front runner" just yet. There'll be other interviews and investigations, possibly even other private workouts. But if they do more investigation of the QB position than others, don't be shocked. There's more to check out.

At this time of year, a lot of misinformation gets thrown around. Some of it's intentional. Some is misinterpretation. Other is just speculation that someone takes as gospel. Regardless of which it is, it's why you have to be careful what you take at face value.

This is why I say don't make an assumption just yet. In prior years, people have thought that we had a pretty good idea of who the Panthers would be drafting too, but as often as not, we've been wrong.

[Darknight]

We are going to go in on the 16th.

Cam will be like "What routes do you want me to throw coach."

And Rivera will be all like, "No worries Cam, this is just a mother f*cking smoke screen."

WIN!!!!

This was funny to me.

Game him rep too.

[teeray]

Ah, but take a look at each of those things objectively.

See, this early in the process, I wouldn't bet on their being a "front runner" just yet. There'll be other interviews and investigations, possibly even other private workouts. But if they do more investigation of the QB position than others, don't be shocked. There's more to check out.

This is why I say don't make an assumption just yet. In prior years, people have thought that we had a pretty good idea of who the Panthers would be drafting too, but as often as not, we've been wrong.

Yas didn't mention Richardson. That is something you conjured out of thin air. I just went and re-read the article. It just said Hurney and others in the FO.

The not sold on D-line article only cites sources for the fact that they were not sold on d-line. The "long look at Gabbert" was opined by the author of the article, not by the sources. http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2011/03/panthers-not-sold-on-drafting-d-lineman.html

So that means it doesn't effect the Gabbert report.

But I don't disbelieve that they will look hard at Gabbert though.

But why then have we not even set up a dinner, or private workout, or interview, etc. with ANY OTHER PLAYER? We had opportunities already with Dareus and Fairley. But nothing so far.

So like I said. It may be just due diligence. Maybe we are taking it one prospect at a time. But the draft is only 6 weeks away. That sounds like a lot of time but to this point we have no one else on the radar.

Of course Cam is so news worthy it could be falling between the cracks.

[Tarheels23]

We are going to go in on the 16th.

Cam will be like "What routes do you want me to throw coach."

And Rivera will be all like, "No worries Cam, this is just a mother f*cking smoke screen."

LOL.......... You a funny dude!

[Mr. Scot]

Yas didn't mention Richardson. That is something you conjured out of thin air. I just went and re-read the article. It just said Hurney and others in the FO.

The not sold on D-line article only cites sources for the fact that they were not sold on d-line. The "long look at Gabbert" was opined by the author of the article, not by the sources.

So that means it doesn't effect the Gabbert report.

But I don't disbelieve that they will look hard at Gabbert though.

But why then have we not even set up a dinner, or private workout, or interview, etc. with ANY OTHER PLAYER? We had opportunities already with Dareus and Fairley. But nothing so far.

So like I said. It may be just due diligence. Maybe we are taking it one prospect at a time. But the draft is only 6 weeks away. That sounds like a lot of time but to this point we have no one else on the radar.

Of course Cam is so news worthy it could be falling between the cracks.

I'm not just talking about the most recent articles with Yasinskas. It goes way back. If you want to know how far, Yasinskas even had his doubts about the Panthers drafting Luck (before Richardson said he would and Luck declared he was staying in school) because he said someone "very high in the Panthers organization" still liked Jimmy Clausen.

On Person's take, how do we know what was his source and what was him? Do we even know that his source was with the Panthers? And even Banks himself said he believed that could change based on Gabbert's pro day. And one thing you should always remember when reading these articles: "league source", as often as not, turns out to be somebody's agent.

On the dinner thing, a few years ago we badly needed a running-back, and the Panthers took LenDale White to dinner. Not only that, Marty Hurney told White not to run at the Combine, sparking huge speculation that Hurney was trying to keep anyone else from getting a look at him. During that time, I don't recall any private meetings with DeAngelo Williams, but why should they? White fit what John Fox wanted way better than Williams did. Pretty much everyone thought that if the choice came down to those two, the Panthers would take White.

It did, and we took Williams.

And that's not the only story. Heck, of the players that we've known came in for private workouts in the past, the only one I can actually remember them drafting was Eric Shelton (and what a lousy exception to the rule that was). And that's just the panthers. Draft history is full of stories where someone had it as a lead-pipe lock that Player X would be chosen by Team Y, only to have the card at the draft read that it was actually Player Z.

There's still about seven weeks left to investigate other players.

Bottom Line: Don't assume that anything is set in stone at this point.

I've seen this movie a time or two. It doesn't always end like you expect it will.

[CarolinaVeins]

Yas didn't mention Richardson. That is something you conjured out of thin air. I just went and re-read the article. It just said Hurney and others in the FO.

The not sold on D-line article only cites sources for the fact that they were not sold on d-line. The "long look at Gabbert" was opined by the author of the article, not by the sources. http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2011/03/panthers-not-sold-on-drafting-d-lineman.html

So that means it doesn't effect the Gabbert report.

But I don't disbelieve that they will look hard at Gabbert though.

But why then have we not even set up a dinner, or private workout, or interview, etc. with ANY OTHER PLAYER? We had opportunities already with Dareus and Fairley. But nothing so far.

So like I said. It may be just due diligence. Maybe we are taking it one prospect at a time. But the draft is only 6 weeks away. That sounds like a lot of time but to this point we have no one else on the radar.

Of course Cam is so news worthy it could be falling between the cracks.

I totally agree

[scarface]

[teeray]

I'm not just talking about the most recent articles with Yasinskas. It goes way back. If you want to know how far, Yasinskas even had his doubts about the Panthers drafting Luck (before Richardson said he would and Luck declared he was staying in school) because he said someone "very high in the Panthers organization" still liked Jimmy Clausen.

On Person's take, how do we know what was his source and what was him? Do we even know that his source was with the Panthers? And even Banks himself said he believed that could change based on Gabbert's pro day. And one thing you should always remember when reading these articles: "league source", as often as not, turns out to be somebody's agent.

On the dinner thing, a few years ago we badly needed a running-back, and the Panthers took LenDale White to dinner. Not only that, Marty Hurney told White not to run at the Combine, sparking huge speculation that Hurney was trying to keep anyone else from getting a look at him. During that time, I don't recall any private meetings with DeAngelo Williams, but why should they? White fit what John Fox wanted way better than Williams did. Pretty much everyone thought that if the choice came down to those two, the Panthers would take White.

It did, and we took Williams.

And that's not the only story. Heck, of the players that we've known came in for private workouts in the past, the only one I can actually remember them drafting was Eric Shelton (and what a lousy exception to the rule that was). And that's just the panthers. Draft history is full of stories where someone had it as a lead-pipe lock that Player X would be chosen by Team Y, only to have the card at the draft read that it was actually Player Z.

There's still about seven weeks left to investigate other players.

Bottom Line: Don't assume that anything is set in stone at this point.

I've seen this movie a time or two. It doesn't always end like you expect it will.

Every past example you have given were situations where we didn't have the number one overall pick. That makes a lot of sense in those circumstances but not our current situation.

And having 1 dinner with White is < 3 separate meetings with Cam.

As far as the article is concerned, you just have to read it. It is clear on which part was reported citing league sources and which part he was giving his opinion. Just read it again. http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2011/03/panthers-not-sold-on-drafting-d-lineman.html It is pretty clear.

And also you still haven't explained why we have scheduled 3 different meetings with Cam but zero with Dareus or Fairley? They have had just as much contact with those two to this point.

Also want to reiterate that this does not mean he is a lock, but at this point possibly the front runner at this time. Or a smoke screen