Decertification

[Snake]

Hell if the NBA has a lockout too, why the hell go to a sports bar? An average chain sports bar has like 35 to 40 employees on its payroll. I couldn't find a figure for how many sports bars are in the country on the net, but lets just say 8000. I couldn't imagine hardly any of them keeping a full staff. An eighth of them probably shut down. I don't think the government would be willing to pick up the tab for that many people.

College ball... Which is better IMO.

[mav1234]

6 months was how long they would have had to wait to decertify had the CBA expired.

It's definately a lot longer than 6 months to recertify.

someone was claiming it was 6 months until they could recertify.

Google has one site claiming a year. Nothing definitive. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough, lol.

[Snake]

I really cant believe that the Union did this. IDK what the players think they are going to get out of this but it want be anything good. No way a court system will hold up there argument and lets face it, the US Gov sides with businesses most of the time.

I understand the Unions side of this but the way they have handled it is some what of a suicide mission. Its all or nothing and more then not its going to be nothing. I will say this though Jerry Richardson played this to perfection and is on good ground. It makes since now why we let Johnson and Dwill hit the market, because there will be no market.

[riddel]

I will say this though Jerry Richardson played this to perfection and is on good ground. It makes since now why we let Johnson and Dwill hit the market, because there will be no market.

LOL...yeah...Richardson not only played it...he initiated it with his March 2010 speech...he planned it by dropping all the Panthers high dollar contracts last summer.....he followed through by setting up Fox as a lame duck coach...he lead the charge by educabacating the public on pie charts....he stirred the pot by insulting Manning....he stood strong during mediation and finally got what he had been preaching about since March 2010....a LOCKOUT!

Guess he is taking back his league.....great move Richardson....thanks for your foresight....

[Snake]

LOL...yeah...Richardson not only played it...he initiated it with his March 2010 speech...he planned it by dropping all the Panthers high dollar contracts last summer.....he followed through by setting up Fox as a lame duck coach...he lead the charge by educabacating the public on pie charts....he stirred the pot by insulting Manning....he stood strong during mediation and finally got what he had been preaching about since March 2010....a LOCKOUT!

Guess he is taking back his league.....great move Richardson....thanks for your foresight....

Last time I checked the owners where the last to leave the Negotiation table and the union was the first to strike by busting up. Still I guess it was all Richardson's fault.

[riddel]

Last time I checked the owners where the last to leave the Negotiation table and the union was the first to strike by busting up. Still I guess it was all Richardson's fault.

Yes it is.

You guys still don't get it. The union had to decertify before 5pm or the CBA would expire and then the owners would have locked the players out. By decertifying the union will be able to block the lockout and the judge will re-establish the 2010 CBA, thus allowing football, while the idiots (owners and players) fight it out in court.

Richardson and the owners pushed for this lockout and they got it....

[Snake]

Yes it is.

You guys still don't get it. The union had to decertify before 5pm or the CBA would expire and then the owners would have locked the players out. By decertifying the union will be able to block the lockout and the judge will re-establish the 2010 CBA, thus allowing football, while the idiots (owners and players) fight it out in court.

Richardson and the owners pushed for this lockout and they got it....

Oh dear lord, If only it were that simple. :frown2: Both parties have been talking court since a year ago. This is not something one man did but a group on both sides of the table. Its also not a lock for the judge to re-establish the season. Nothing is for sure now and everything is up in the air.

Still keep on being butt hurt and blaming our Owner. Im sure in time his grand master plan will be shown and we will all know the truth.

[teeray]

Yes it is.

You guys still don't get it. The union had to decertify before 5pm or the CBA would expire and then the owners would have locked the players out. By decertifying the union will be able to block the lockout and the judge will re-establish the 2010 CBA, thus allowing football, while the idiots (owners and players) fight it out in court.

Richardson and the owners pushed for this lockout and they got it....

While I agree that the players are the ones that blew this up. I am kinda hoping that you are right that the judge blocks the lockout so we will be assures some football. That will be a big ruling in this whole thing

[cato]

Yes it is.

You guys still don't get it. The union had to decertify before 5pm or the CBA would expire and then the owners would have locked the players out. By decertifying the union will be able to block the lockout and the judge will re-establish the 2010 CBA, thus allowing football, while the idiots (owners and players) fight it out in court.

Richardson and the owners pushed for this lockout and they got it....

So, by decertifying, the union was able to block the lockout or Richardson and the owners pushed for this lockout and they got it. Which is it?

[Happy Panther]

I'm just trying to figure out logically why the owners would be hesitant to release full financial statements. I bet it is a littany of things and unique to each team. One team could be doing something funny with the IRS another could have a questionable corporate structure

However i am betting one common theme is that there is "pork barrel" spending in there that should legitimately be cut before salaries are cut and that artificially reduce profit. So the 49ers might be claiming they only had $20M in operating profit. However that doesn't include $10M in "salary" to family employees. And did you know that the team lost another $10M in bad commodities trading? And we forgot to mention that $20M of potential profit was used to over capitalize a Cayman captive rainy day fund. So $20M profit could really be called $60M...

I'm just guessing its less that the owners are doing anything fraudulent its more that they don't want their questionable spending habits known while at the same time claiming the league is on the edge of financial ruin.

If it were as simple as salaries and marketing costs are going up then it would seem pretty easy just to open the books.

[ThePantherFan]

I need 100 post to start a thread.

[Evil Hurney]

I'm just trying to figure out logically why the owners would be hesitant to release full financial statements. I bet it is a littany of things and unique to each team. One team could be doing something funny with the IRS another could have a questionable corporate structure

However i am betting one common theme is that there is "pork barrel" spending in there that should legitimately be cut before salaries are cut and that artificially reduce profit. So the 49ers might be claiming they only had $20M in operating profit. However that doesn't include $10M in "salary" to family employees. And did you know that the team lost another $10M in bad commodities trading? And we forgot to mention that $20M of potential profit was used to over capitalize a Cayman captive rainy day fund. So $20M profit could really be called $60M...

I'm just guessing its less that the owners are doing anything fraudulent its more that they don't want their questionable spending habits known while at the same time claiming the league is on the edge of financial ruin.

If it were as simple as salaries and marketing costs are going up then it would seem pretty easy just to open the books.

Possibly. It also been mentioned that the owners are competitive amongst themselves so they wouldn't really like the other owners knowing the inner workings of their books.

Plus, the numbers and trends inside of the financials are up to interpretation. While the owners may interpret the financials as a sign of bad things to come, the players could interpret as everything is fine.

[Marguide]

I'm just trying to figure out logically why the owners would be hesitant to release full financial statements. I bet it is a littany of things and unique to each team. One team could be doing something funny with the IRS another could have a questionable corporate structure

However i am betting one common theme is that there is "pork barrel" spending in there that should legitimately be cut before salaries are cut and that artificially reduce profit. So the 49ers might be claiming they only had $20M in operating profit. However that doesn't include $10M in "salary" to family employees. And did you know that the team lost another $10M in bad commodities trading? And we forgot to mention that $20M of potential profit was used to over capitalize a Cayman captive rainy day fund. So $20M profit could really be called $60M...

I'm just guessing its less that the owners are doing anything fraudulent its more that they don't want their questionable spending habits known while at the same time claiming the league is on the edge of financial ruin.

If it were as simple as salaries and marketing costs are going up then it would seem pretty easy just to open the books.

Or maybe it's because the owners know they would spend weeks pouring over each individual line item, only to conclude (no matter what the books say) that they aren't prepared to concede 1 penny.

[Happy Panther]

Or maybe it's because the owners know they would spend weeks pouring over each individual line item, only to conclude (no matter what the books say) that they aren't prepared to concede 1 penny.

pure speculation and a dumb reason not to be transparent