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Question for those who don't wanna draft a QB

davos

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I'm conflicted. I refuse to let the homer in me that loves Gabbert surpass the realist in me that knows we would likely have a better football team if we took a Dareus or a Peterson or possibly even a Green, unless Gabbert really explodes here. Which, of course, is possible. I do think he can be the guy some place. I just think he needs to sit a year, and I don't know that he will get that chance here. Rivera will have a lot of pressure to get some games won right away.

Anyway, you can't draft this year expecting to have certain options available next year. Sure, I think we may have a chance to land a better rookie in the future, but i've decided we can't plan on that. Every year, it seems like the next QB class will be stacked, and something changes that.

I dont think Rivera will have much pressure this next season to win right away. Dont get me wrong we all want wins, but he just needs to show he has command of this team and its moving in the right direction. The biggest pressure he and Hurney will have going forward is addressing the QB spot and if they end up pick one at #1 it is not as critical as people think to win right away and start the guy. They are going to bring in a Veteran no matter what to start anyway so wins will come from that, and then they will still have Clausen to come in should that be necessary.

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Not that Philly will get a first rounder for Kolb, but that is what they are currently asking for. Now imagine the responses to headline "Panthers request 1st round draft pick compensation for Matt Moore"

So just because Kolb has more hype around him he's a better player?

Considering the clusterfug of a season we just came off of and the injury Moore sustained, his market is limited but not by his ability and what he's shown he can do in this league, which is just as much as Kolb if not more

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Until we fix the most important position in Football today we will be at the bottom of our division imo...We are rebuilding (sad but true) might as well find our franchise QB in the process first things first when it comes to turning things around in Carolina.

Yes, we will probably struggle until we find a QB. That doesn't mean we have to reach on a QB in a mediocre at best(that's putting it nicely) QB class.

And then you would lose all credibility by trying to argue that Moore is better than Kevin Kolb. And hopefully whomever you were arguing with kicked you in the nuts.

What has Kolb done(besides being drafted in the second round) that Moore hasn't?

Moore career stats: 16 TD/17 INT, 73.9 QB rating

Kolb career stats: 11TD/14 INT, 73.2 QB rating

Kolb is 3-4 in games he started. Moore is 7-5 in the games he started. You also have to factor in that Kolb plays in an offense much more suited to throwing the ball. The Kolb hype machine is absolutely unbelievable.. I've never seen a QB that has been as mediocre as Kolb be hyped up enough where people actually think he's worth a first rounder+.

This isn't me defending Moore and saying he should be the starter. Neither are that impressive, but it's not dumb to say Moore is better than Kolb.

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So just because Kolb has more hype around him he's a better player?

Considering the clusterfug of a season we just came off of and the injury Moore sustained, his market is limited but not by his ability and what he's shown he can do in this league, which is just as much as Kolb if not more

I understand that hype can elevate someone's stock but the front offices making these decisions do enough homework to not believe the hype and base trade compensation on a player's actual worth.

What I am simply stating is that Kevin Kolb's value in the open NFL market is far greater than Matt Moore's and you would have a tough argument to make right now that Moore is the best QB out of the 2007 class. We could argue about stats and # of starts and compare numbers, but if you asked every NFL GM whom they would rather start a franchise with (just between the 2) it would suprise me if more than one GM out of 32 picked Moore. And I say more than one because I am assuming Hurney would say him only because it is the politically correct thing to do.

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I understand that hype can elevate someone's stock but the front offices making these decisions do enough homework to not believe the hype and base trade compensation on a player's actual worth.

What I am simply stating is that Kevin Kolb's value in the open NFL market is far greater than Matt Moore's and you would have a tough argument to make right now that Moore is the best QB out of the 2007 class. We could argue about stats and # of starts and compare numbers, but if you asked every NFL GM whom they would rather start a franchise with (just between the 2) it would suprise me if more than one GM out of 32 picked Moore. And I say more than one because I am assuming Hurney would say him only because it is the politically correct thing to do.

Great, but right now they are in completely different situations so it's unfair to ask that question now. If you asked it in 2007 the answer would be completely different and still wrong. What makes you think they won't be wrong now?

The fact is that Moore has played better than Kolb throughout his young career but where things go from here is anyone's guess.

You can base your answer in speculation and I can never prove you wrong but I'll base mine on facts up to this point.

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There are NO QB's this year that are worthy to be drafted #1 overall NONE !

The smart money would be to get a guy like Fairly or Dareus and have a stud

right from the start. Jimmy only has 10 games of NFL experience, give him a chance.

If we absolutely have to waste our #1 pick on a QB then I'd get Gabbert.

Gabbert will be better then Newton in the NFL and will be ready to play

NFL ball far before Newton will.

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last offseason we tendered Moore for a 1st and a 3rd when we thought he was the future.

This offseason (according to darin gantt) we tendered him "only for the lowest amount possible $1.275 million"

Since we have placed such a low tender on him this offseason and he is a superior QB to Kevin Kolb, it will be interesting to see the bidding war erupt for Matt Moore's highly coveted arm once football operations begin.

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i really think moore has out played kolb.and that is not saying much.

that's all I'm saying

it's essentially comparing mediocre to slightly above mediocre. people seem to think Kolb is this franchise changing quarterback that teams will give the farm for, when the reality is he's just an overhyped check down machine that plays in a very quarterback friendly offense.

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