Charlotte Observer: Fact or Fiction

[mav1234]

dude you're reaching beyond belief. 3 superbowls?? you're fuging crazy. I'm sorry, but you can't be like "He could change everything by being the greatest player ever to play the game just about!"... seriously. ok, sure, if Cam Newton is the best player ever to play the game and the best player on earth he will transcend everyone, reach godhood, be crowned the MVP of everything and given superbowl rings on a yearly basis, then yes, he could change everything.

or he could have an elite career and just be the next in a line of elite quarterbacks who were supposed to "change the game" but just didn't, because in reality they had to change to fit the game.

[klumme]

But the problem is that it looks like what teams are looking for in Newton is if he can be a passer more than a runner. I do not see NFL teams changing what they want their QB to do. So he might newer get the chance to become that player you say he might can be.

BUT... I am with so long that I cannot understand why teams not play more option plays etc in the NFL.

IF and that is still a big if we draft Newton I hope we will create a scheme around what he can do and then you might be right.. I just do not see it and therefor I am right.. As always:p:p

[teeray]

dude you're reaching beyond belief. 3 superbowls?? you're fuging crazy. I'm sorry, but you can't be like "He could change everything by being the greatest player ever to play the game just about!"... seriously. ok, sure, if Cam Newton is the best player ever to play the game and the best player on earth he will transcend everyone, reach godhood, be crowned the MVP of everything and given superbowl rings on a yearly basis, then yes, he could change everything.

or he could have an elite career and just be the next in a line of elite quarterbacks who were supposed to "change the game" but just didn't, because in reality they had to change to fit the game.

Why can't he win 3 super bowls in his career? And yeah what if he does become a transcendant talent at the QB position? What if he does become one of the greatest QBs to ever play?

Are you saying that it isn't possible? The only way you change the game is if you become one of the best at it.

Clearly MAV, if Cam is average or stinks he won't change anything. I think you are missing the part where you say he COULD change the game not that he will.

Again this is theoretical. I am not saying he will win three superbowls. But then again no one thought Brady would win three super bowls either. You don't know until you are in the league.

I think he has the type of talent to become a great, great QB. I said it earlier he is going o make a living deep in the red zone and on 3rd and 3/2/1. He has the ability to be a qunique QB.

But we won't know for sure until he is actually in the NFL.

[teeray]

But the problem is that it looks like what teams are looking for in Newton is if he can be a passer more than a runner. I do not see NFL teams changing what they want their QB to do. So he might newer get the chance to become that player you say he might can be.

BUT... I am with so long that I cannot understand why teams not play more option plays etc in the NFL.

IF and that is still a big if we draft Newton I hope we will create a scheme around what he can do and then you might be right.. I just do not see it and therefor I am right.. As always:p:p

Well ill say this. He is going to have to be able to pass the ball that is very true. His running won't be by design like in college except in maybe those short yardage situation. But you are right he is going to have to pass the ball to be effective overall.

[raleigh-panther]

Who would have thought a 6th rd draft pick from Michigan would have 3.

NE was lucky they found a QB that fit their system....and Brady is fabulous in that system, if he were in another, don't know.

It always makes me sick to ponder the lack of boldness in the Panthers with QBs. They are more than willing to give up #1s for DEs or #2s for QB turned WR and some of the other things they have done, but, not so for the most important position on the field.

What if they had traded up for Philip Rivers...imagine...where they would be...there were a lot of knocks on Rivers coming out of NC State too. The Chargers not winning is not on his shoulders however.

[mav1234]

Why can't he win 3 super bowls in his career? And yeah what if he does become a transcendant talent at the QB position? What if he does become one of the greatest QBs to ever play?

Are you saying that it isn't possible? The only way you change the game is if you become one of the best at it.

Clearly MAV, if Cam is average or stinks he won't change anything. I think you are missing the part where you say he COULD change the game not that he will.

Again this is theoretical. I am not saying he will win three superbowls. But then again no one thought Brady would win three super bowls either. You don't know until you are in the league.

I think he has the type of talent to become a great, great QB. I said it earlier he is going o make a living deep in the red zone and on 3rd and 3/2/1. He has the ability to be a qunique QB.

But we won't know for sure until he is actually in the NFL.

What you're talking about isn't just being talented. It's something way beyond that, and frankly, theoretically Gabbert, Locker, even Mallett could change the game.

For all we know, Mallett will herald the return of the statues, as he battles Peyton Manning for the next couple years before taking over the mantle as the best QB in the game.

...yaah.

As long as you're being purely theoretical and realize how crazy and unlikely it is that Newton becomes the best player ever to play the game, that's fine. It's also becoming much, much more clear why you want to take him #1 overall.

[Tarheels23]

so your prediction is not only will he be a better passer than Vick he'll be a better runner, too?

I just don't see it... I don't see it at all.

edit: the runner bit. can see the passer, lol

Actually because of his size/durability he could possible become a more efficient runner than Vick. I look at Cam's running ability as a dream when it comes down to 3rd down conversions.

[raleigh-panther]

The thing is, the defense has to account for Newton. He can, and will run.

Right now, forget about Clausen, he can't even run for his life, he simply falls down and fumbles in the process.

...and for all the people talking about Gabbert, IMHO, he is Drew Beldsoe the 2nd, folds under pressure as per the scounting reports, the game so far beyond the Bledsoe days of standing there for an eternity to make a throw.

[mav1234]

Actually because of his size/durability he could possible become a more efficient runner than Vick. I look at Cam's running ability as a dream when it comes down to 3rd down conversions.

efficient != better, more productive... We'll see, but I doubt Newton is going to be trucking people over in the NFL that often like he did in college, but I could be wrong.

[teeray]

What you're talking about isn't just being talented. It's something way beyond that, and frankly, theoretically Gabbert, Locker, even Mallett could change the game.

For all we know, Mallett will herald the return of the statues, as he battles Peyton Manning for the next couple years before taking over the mantle as the best QB in the game.

...yaah.

As long as you're being purely theoretical and realize how crazy and unlikely it is that Newton becomes the best player ever to play the game, that's fine. It's also becoming much, much more clear why you want to take him #1 overall.

There are already statues in the game like Brady and Manning. I'm talking about a pure hybrid QB that we haven't really seen very often. Especially one at his size and athleticism.

You have to understand that you guys asked how a guy like Cam Newton could change the position. I gave you an example of how he could, and you attack me for answering your question. :(

I didn't even bring this up. You did. You asked a question and I gave you a theoretical response of what could happen. Again I don't know exactly what I did wrong here.

My reasons for wanting to take him number one overall hasn't been a big secret. :(

[Tarheels23]

efficient != better, more productive... We'll see, but I doubt Newton is going to be trucking people over in the NFL that often like he did in college, but I could be wrong.

I wouldn't want my QB trucking anyone, but throwing them off of him like a rag doll just like Josh Freeman did Eric Norwood would be lovely to watch.

[mav1234]

There are already statues in the game like Brady and Manning. I'm talking about a pure hybrid QB that we haven't really seen very often. Especially one at his size and athleticism.

You have to understand that you guys asked how a guy like Cam Newton could change the position. I gave you an example of how he could, and you attack me for answering your question. :(

I didn't even bring this up. You did. You asked a question and I gave you a theoretical response of what could happen. Again I don't know exactly what I did wrong here.

My reasons for wanting to take him number one overall hasn't been a big secret. :(

But the reason you gave for him doing that is the same reason a guy like Gabbert or Locker could... but Cam is the only one taht gets that label, despite the fact that Gabbert is apparently pretty close athletically (at least according to Buddy Nix, maybe a smokescreen!?) and Locker is probably *more* athletic... I dunno.

but you're right. I did ask. I shoulda known this is what I would get since it is the only way it makes sense. You did nothing wrong.I was just a bit mean earlier ;)

The reason I don't see it happening is there have been players that have been probably just as athletic, just as gifted, if not more so... and they didn't "change the game" so I dont' really see Newton doing it, either... but hey, it's possible.

[mav1234]

I wouldn't want my QB trucking anyone, but throwing them off of him like a rag doll just like Josh Freeman did Eric Norwood would be lovely to watch.

Freeman is nowhere near the threat on the ground that Vick is. The only way I see Newton approaching Vick's production is if he starts trucking people over.

Don't get me wrong, Freeman is exciting to watch and his strength is obvious, and Newton can certainly toss some of the smaller guys off of him at times, but that is TOTALLY different from being more productive than Mike Vick. My point was never that Newton won't be effective with his legs, but that he won't be effective in the same way he was in college.

Like I've said all along, I tend to think that if Newton is going to be successful it will be more in line with Big Ben (and now, Josh Freeman) than it will be Mike Vick... and there's *nothing* wrong with that at all, but it certainly seems unlikely he'd change the game that way even if he was an elite QB.

[panthernation23]

Cam is 1 read then scramble, if he is comparable to anyone its Michael Vick when he 1st came out