If you knew Newton would hit his upside

[chef17]

Two things. I am not saying Cam will do that. But you never know.

And secondly, if he doesn't change the game and we have to settle for a McNair (MVP) or a Culpepper (MVP) I will be cool with that.

I wasn't speaking of you specifically. And if we take him it would be great if he become a Culpepper. I just don't understand how he will change the game. A QB with his size and running ability is rare, but it has happened before. It didn't change the game the first time, I don't see what would make it change this time.

[csx]

I wasn't speaking of you specifically. And if we take him it would be great if he become a Culpepper. I just don't understand how he will change the game. A QB with his size and running ability is rare, but it has happened before. It didn't change the game the first time, I don't see what would make it change this time.

This is going to sound condescending, but I really believe a lot of the people saying things like that weren't of the age to be paying this much attention to football at the time of the prevoius guys.

[teeray]

I wasn't speaking of you specifically. And if we take him it would be great if he become a Culpepper. I just don't understand how he will change the game. A QB with his size and running ability is rare, but it has happened before. It didn't change the game the first time, I don't see what would make it change this time.

I don't won't to rehash my crazy theories as to why the QB position will change regardless of Cam Newton. Plus everyone pooed on my theory. :lol:

Here is what I will say Chef. This is a small sample size so take it FWIW.

The Golden Calf of Bristol started 3 games last year. He had 4 tds passing and 3 rushing. So he had 7 tds. He threw for 215 yards a game and rushed for 66 yards per game.

Now stretch that across 16 games he would have passed for 3,500 yards and 23 tds and rushed for just over 1,000 yards and 16 tds. He would have been responsible for 39 tds. And one of his three starts was against a Ron Rivera defense.

Now imagine a guy who is a more developed passer at this point, with a stronger arm, and a better runner.

To me that could be a different type of QB.

[teeray]

This is going to sound condescending, but I really believe a lot of the people saying things like that weren't of the age to be paying this much attention to football at the time of the prevoius guys.

Randall Cunningham and Steve Young are a couple of my all time favorite players.

Please, please, please don't take this to mean that I think this is what is going to happen. But if you take Cunninghams running ability and Culpeppers passing ability and put into one QB that woukd be someone we have never seen.

Cunningham, Vick, Slash, and these guys were never really great passers. Maybe Cunningham in his later years when he didn't run much anymore.

[micnificent28]

I wasn't speaking of you specifically. And if we take him it would be great if he become a Culpepper. I just don't understand how he will change the game. A QB with his size and running ability is rare, but it has happened before. It didn't change the game the first time, I don't see what would make it change this time.

Culpepper was big and fast but not even half the runner cam is. Gabbert and cam run similar 40 times but no one is talking about them changing the game. Locker and Taylor are even faster. being a good runner is more than just speed. It's instincts and agility something I don't culpepper had.

We say Vick didn't revolutionize the game, but who's to say? He just hasn't won a championship but, he has lead his team to the playoffs more times than he has not. I don't think we'll ever know what he could have been due to his jail time and improper coaching in atl.

[chef17]

I don't won't to rehash my crazy theories as to why the QB position will change regardless of Cam Newton. Plus everyone pooed on my theory. :lol:

Here is what I will say Chef. This is a small sample size so take it FWIW.

The Golden Calf of Bristol started 3 games last year. He had 4 tds passing and 3 rushing. So he had 7 tds. He threw for 215 yards a game and rushed for 66 yards per game.

Now stretch that across 16 games he would have passed for 3,500 yards and 23 tds and rushed for just over 1,000 yards and 16 tds. He would have been responsible for 39 tds. And one of his three starts was against a Ron Rivera defense.

Now imagine a guy who is a more developed passer at this point, with a stronger arm, and a better runner.

To me that could be a different type of QB.

I understand your point but it is a hell of a stretch to think he would continue to be that productive over a full season. Also, everyone here discredits Moore's 09 performance because he played with no pressure cause we were already out the playoffs. The Golden Calf of Bristol was under the same circumstances :hand:

[teeray]

That is a fair point. We just won't know until this guy hits the field. Hopefully it will be in a Panthers uniform but if not, whatever.

There are about 6 guys I would be pretty stoked if we got them.

[teeray]

To tell you how happy I am Fox is gone. The Golden Calf of Bristol was that productive and Fox alreadyu want to bench him for Orton.

In Fox's defense despite those good numbers The Golden Calf of Bristol only completed about 50% of his actuall passes.

[chef17]

Culpepper was big and fast but not even half the runner cam is. Gabbert and cam run similar 40 times but no one is talking about them changing the game. Locker and Taylor are even faster. being a good runner is more than just speed. It's instincts and agility something I don't culpepper had.

We say Vick didn't revolutionize the game, but who's to say? He just hasn't won a championship but, he has lead his team to the playoffs more times than he has not. I don't think we'll ever know what he could have been due to his jail time and improper coaching in atl.

I haven't seen a ton of Cam so I can't compare their running ability. But I would imagine that Cam would be a passer first, and run when nothing is there and he has space. That isn't gonna revolutionize the game, plenty of QBs already do that.

[Millions]

If you haven't seen a lot of Cam I compare strictly his running to A. Peterson elusive AND powerful.

[csx]

To tell you how happy I am Fox is gone. The Golden Calf of Bristol was that productive and Fox alreadyu want to bench him for Orton.

In Fox's defense despite those good numbers The Golden Calf of Bristol only completed about 50% of his actuall passes.

Orton played pretty good last year and The Golden Calf of Bristol only played becuase Orton got hurt. He's just getting the starting job back that he lost due to injury.

[teeray]

The Golden Calf of Bristol was way more productive than Orton. His team averaged 25 points per game with The Golden Calf of Bristol at QB. He was a very good QB and only a rookie.

Trust me the fact Fox said they were going back to Orton alienated their fanbase already.

[jtnc]

Yeah, they were pretty pissed when he announced 'Orton is our starting QB'

[micnificent28]

I haven't seen a ton of Cam so I can't compare their running ability. But I would imagine that Cam would be a passer first, and run when nothing is there and he has space. That isn't gonna revolutionize the game, plenty of QBs already do that.

Your right. He should be a passer first. But if he can pick up some of those 3rd downs with his legs it would cause the defenses to play him differently. It's the threat of the run to beat you both ways. The movement can already be seen if you look at Rodgers big Ben and so on. Neither of those guys have the speed that cam does or the arm strength. Big Ben shakes of taces which cam can do. But if you look at Lot of cams highlights, he avoids sacks and darts between defenders(see my signature) with agility that no big quarterback has ever done before.

The future quarterback as someone has said could, pick up the first on the ground or through the air. At 260 3rd and 2 becomes easy with the power to push the pile. Being a good passer is the most important, but having more options more threats is better than just 1.

Also just saw what teeray said Bout culpepper not running as much later in his career, I think he couldn't he blew out his knee and lost all his speed. Same thing with mcnabb. The only reason Vick is still kicking I believe is because he hasn't torn one hisself.