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Honestly given the perception of the QBs at the time they were drafted...

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It's a down year in the quarterback market. It happens.

I wouldn't be the least bit afraid of a QB at #1 if it were Luck or someone of that caliber.

I think people were so pumped up about Luck that they turned overly critical of this year's crop of QB's. You can argue about the quality of the people at the top of the draft, but the class is definitely deep in QB's.

In any case, it will be fun to see how the careers of all these guys play out.

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I wouldn't be the least bit afraid of a QB at #1 if it were Luck or someone of that caliber.

The candidates available this year? Not so much.

Who's to say Luck won't regress this year like Locker did. I swear, can we stop deeming this kid the next Peyton already.

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Quarterbacks taken #1 since 1970

2010 - Sam Bradford (jury's still out)

2009 - Matthew Stafford (ditto; he's hurt a lot)

2007 - JaMarcus Russell (megabust)

2005 - Alex Smith (shouldda picked the other guy bust)

2004 - Eli Manning (good, but not great like his his brother)

2003 - Carson Palmer (overrated, but good)

2002 - David Carr (big ole bust)

2001 - Michael Vick (washed out in Atlanta, redemption in progress at Philly)

1999 - Tim Couch (sofa bust)

1998 - Peyton Manning (superstar)

1993 - Drew Bledsoe (underachiever)

1990 - Jeff George (head case bust)

1989 - Troy Aikman (superstar)

1987 - Vinny Testaverde (journeyman)

1983 - John Elway (superstar)

1975 - Steve Bartkowski (so-so)

1971 - Jim Plunkett (became better later in career)

1970 - Terry Bradshaw (superstar)

Based on that sample, your odds of getting a superstar are a little under 25%.

Your odds at getting at least a good QB are better, but when you use the #1 overall pick "good" isn't really what you're shooting for.

1. Bradford and Stafford are not busts by anymean so I agree with you on the jury is still out because they are young.

2. Russell and Smith are both busts of course.

3. Vick was never a bust and always had ATL in playoff position and is now doing the same thing with the Eagles.

4. Eli, like you said is not great. However, he has won a SB.

5. Carson Palmer has had injury problems but when he healthy he plays well.

6. Couch and Carr are busts.

7. Drew Bledsoe is a 4X Pro Bowler and a SB champion which is far from an underachiever.

8. Jeff George is a bust.

9. Vinny Testaverde was not a bust, he just couldn't get that SB win.

10. Steve Bartkowski was an All-Pro selection so he might be a little better than so-so.

11. Aikman, Manning, Elway, and Bradshaw are all superstars like you said.

12. Plunkett also won a SB which is what the goal of the organization is.

Succeeded

1. Eli Manning

2. Carson Palmer

3. Michael Vick

4. Peyton Manning

5. Drew Bledsoe

6. Troy Aikman

7. Vinny Testaverde

8. John Elway

9. Steve Bartkowski

10. Jim Plunkett

11. Terry Bradshaw

Jurry Still Out

1. Sam Bradford

2. Matt Stafford

Busted

1. JaMarcus Russell

2. David Carr

3. Alex Smith

4. Jeff George

5. Tim Couch

11-5-2 is over 50% my friend and considering how bad our QB play was last year, I will take those odds and draft Cam Newton.

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Plus it is hard to say a 4x pro bowler is an under achiever.

Kerry Collins was a pro bowler his rookie year.

Pro Bowls don't mean jack.

Who's to say Luck won't regress this year like Locker did. I swear, can we stop deeming this kid the next Peyton already.

I'll say that if he actually regresses. Till then...

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Who's to say Luck won't regress this year like Locker did. I swear, can we stop deeming this kid the next Peyton already.

As a matter of fact Jeff George was just as hyped as Luck was coming out of college.

That is why the Colts gave him the richest rookie deal in history.

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Kerry Collins was a pro bowler his rookie year.

Pro Bowls don't mean jack.

Oh I'm sorry he made 4 pro bowls? If Bledsoe had only made one I wouldn't have said anything. That means he was in AT LEAST the top half QBs in the league over 4 different seasons.

Plus Collins had a really good year that year.

I'm beginning to see the problem here. What you want in a QB is unrealistic.

If you ain't Peyton Manning you ain't worth a poo.

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Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, nor Jesus himself could have beaten out The Golden Calf of Bristol in Florida. If you haven't been to Gainesville since the The Golden Calf of Bristol era then you probably can't fathom just how much those people worship The Golden Calf of Bristol. There is a ridiculously large bronze statue of him in front of the stadium already. Its actually quite blasphemous.

Um, wasn't he a third stringer, not even beating out Brantley?

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If someone wins us a superbowl they will be a superstar to me.

That's a pretty harsh scale you grade on Mr. Scott.

If you are going to use that list to put a percentage on drafting a QB you can't in all fairness include guys that are "to be determined" as an adverse percentage.

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1. Bradford and Stafford are not busts by anymean so I agree with you on the jury is still out because they are young.

2. Russell and Smith are both busts of course.

3. Vick was never a bust and always had ATL in playoff position and is now doing the same thing with the Eagles.

4. Eli, like you said is not great. However, he has won a SB.

5. Carson Palmer has had injury problems but when he healthy he plays well.

6. Couch and Carr are busts.

7. Drew Bledsoe is a 4X Pro Bowler and a SB champion which is far from an underachiever.

8. Jeff George is a bust.

9. Vinny Testaverde was not a bust, he just couldn't get that SB win.

10. Steve Bartkowski was an All-Pro selection so he might be a little better than so-so.

11. Aikman, Manning, Elway, and Bradshaw are all superstars like you said.

12. Plunkett also won a SB which is what the goal of the organization is.

Succeeded

1. Eli Manning

2. Carson Palmer

3. Michael Vick

4. Peyton Manning

5. Drew Bledsoe

6. Troy Aikman

7. Vinny Testaverde

8. John Elway

9. Steve Bartkowski

10. Jim Plunkett

11. Terry Bradshaw

Jurry Still Out

1. Sam Bradford

2. Matt Stafford

Busted

1. JaMarcus Russell

2. David Carr

3. Alex Smith

4. Jeff George

5. Tim Couch

11-5-2 is over 50% my friend and considering how bad our QB play was last year, I will take those odds and draft Cam Newton.

Testaverde succeeded? Sort of. Worth the #1? No way.

Bledsoe got his Super Bowl ring as a backup. For a number one pick, he was an underachiever.

Bartowski was decent. Worth the number one though? Please :nonod:

Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl ring as a starter. Was he worth the #1 overall pick?

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Oh you guys didn't hear? Andrew Luck hasn't even declared and he's already been accepted to Canton.

Oh boy when we draft him next year he'll already be a hall of famer! And we're going to win 8 superbowls in a row. He is THAT GOOD.

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Oh you guys didn't hear? Andrew Luck hasn't even declared and he's already been accepted to Canton.

Oh boy when we draft him next year he'll already be a hall of famer! And we're going to win 8 superbowls in a row. He is THAT GOOD.

Well then why the fug would we draft Cam Newton?

:shocked:

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