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Cam will start in 2011 if drafted

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I answered that in my post. It is moreso about buying time than it is about having the vet actually do the mentoring. If the qb is a class act, ie how Jake Dellhomme was with Colt Mccoy, then it's all gravy. That is the exception more than the rule. When Stafford was drafted, Culpepper didn't want to have anything to do with mentoring him. He was in it for himself. Same goes for Brett Farve. He wasn't mentoring Rodgers. The coaches were mentoring and training him. Mcnabb didn't mentor Kolb. Teams bring in a veteran for their onfield experience and to help win games until the prospect is ready. So to answer your question, teams make sure a solid veteran qb is on the roster because they want a chance to win games. In the end, that is what all this is about.

yeah, but the Rams went out and brought in a 10 yr journeyman QB regardless......there is a reason they brought that type QB in. He wasn't brought in to help wins games by being THE QB. He was to aid Braford. Just like say Mark Brunell in NY. That isn't what it was about there.....nor a host of other teams. It was about helping their highly invested picks get ready.

Kolb wasn't a 1st round pick and this thread is about 1st round QBs. If Favre retired Rodgers' rookie year then GB would have brought a vet in.

Out of those 25 examples I only found 1 team that didn't make sure there was a vet on the roster.

History shows teams get vets and play 1st round QBs. Ain't no pro bowler in Carolina to delay it no matter how much coaches prefer not to go that route.

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yeah, but the Rams went out and brought in a 10 yr journeyman QB regardless......there is a reason they brought that type QB in. He wasn't brought in to help wins games by being THE QB. He was to aid Braford. Just like say Mark Brunell in NY. That isn't what it was about there.....nor a host of other teams. It was about helping their highly invested picks get ready.

Kolb wasn't a 1st round pick and this thread is about 1st round QBs. If Favre retired Rodgers' rookie year then GB would have brought a vet in.

Out of those 25 examples I only found 1 team that didn't make sure there was a vet on the roster.

History shows teams get vets and play 1st round QBs. Ain't no pro bowler in Carolina to delay it no matter how much coaches prefer not to go that route.

Let me say first off that I agree with what u r saying about a vet qb being brought in. I kind of disagree with the whole taking the prospect under their wing thing. Although Brunell was brought in during Sanchez's second season, I see your point.

I brought up Kolb and other qb's who were drafted while a starter was in place just to give examples of how selfish qb's can be. But point taken... Unfortunately Carolina may not have the time or the options to bring in that type of veteran qb. i just don't see that type of vet who will be available. That is why Matt Moore may be that guy, or maybe even Jimmy Clausen improves and get a chance to start the season(I highly doubt it). The lockout may force them to lean on Moore to be that veteran..... Who knows, Charlie @Batch could maybe fill that role...

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Let me say first off that I agree with what u r saying about a vet qb being brought in. I kind of disagree with the whole taking the prospect under their wing thing. Although Brunell was brought in during Sanchez's second season, I see your point.

I brought up Kolb and other qb's who were drafted while a starter was in place just to give examples of how selfish qb's can be. But point taken... Unfortunately Carolina may not have the time or the options to bring in that type of veteran qb. i just don't see that type of vet who will be available. That is why Matt Moore may be that guy, or maybe even Jimmy Clausen improves and get a chance to start the season(I highly doubt it). The lockout may force them to lean on Moore to be that veteran..... Who knows, Charlie @Batch could maybe fill that role...

the Rams brought in Feeley....who while isn't impressive had 10 yrs under his belt of being in NFL lockerrooms and film rooms. That is a big help to a dumbass rookie QB.

Moore has 4 yrs under his belt and injury has been a part of 2 of those years.....I would love Moore as the 3rd QB but would like more of a real vet on the roster if they invest in Cam.

Cam, Moore, vet is my ideal QB roster. Probably have Moore start the season. Clausen/Pike don't fit the scheme regardless.....moving on sooner rather than later is ideal

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Seems to be working out ok for Josh Freeman.

Nearly all the best players come out early now. Historical data has less meaning in this context. If maturity and experience were all that were required, Chris Weinke would have been a superstar.

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Seems to be working out ok for Josh Freeman.

Nearly all the best players come out early now. Historical data has less meaning in this context. If maturity and experience were all that were required, Chris Weinke would have been a superstar.

Freeman also had six months to learn the playbook, OTAs, and training camp, none of which are set this year. He still SUCKED as a rookie. In addition, we are talking QB, not all the best players. The link I gave focused on the underclassmen QBs from 1990-present, considering the players without three years under their belts have proven nothing either way.

14% success rate in the most recent years, and you have a better context? You criticize historical data and then reference Weinke to support your position? Could it be that you don't want to consider these stats because they contradict your opinion? I give you a list of about 20 players and you give 1 who struggled early to support yourself?

Come on. These numbers speak for themselves. Drafting Cam is not a coin toss, it is a dice roll, hoping we get a six.

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^He didn't break out until this year no argument but he showed promise towards the end of his rookie season though.

Could see it happening if he's drafted here it all depends on the QB's we have on the depth chart like I've been saying. I would like to see him play as a rook though personally to see if he shows something, anything you know.

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Freeman also had six months to learn the playbook, OTAs, and training camp, none of which are set this year. He still SUCKED as a rookie. In addition, we are talking QB, not all the best players. The link I gave focused on the underclassmen QBs from 1990-present, considering the players without three years under their belts have proven nothing either way.

14% success rate in the most recent years, and you have a better context? You criticize historical data and then reference Weinke to support your position? Could it be that you don't want to consider these stats because they contradict your opinion? I give you a list of about 20 players and you give 1 who struggled early to support yourself? Was Weinke a Jr when he came out?

Freeman did not SUCK as a rookie. He showed potential as a rookie. Big difference. Rookies aren't expected to be good....they are expected to show promise and starting building off games.

Freeman did that.

Sucking would be what Clausen did.

Freeman started at what would be probably the ideal time in a season for a rookie.

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