Last night proved (again) that CB is our biggest need

[HeatCheck]

Last night's passing game by the Bengals was damn near set-up by their running game.

JESUS!

I am not denying that our run defense was very poor. But to say the CBs struggled because they were "set-up" by the run is giving them too much credit. The CBs have proven that lack the needed coverage skills.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

I understand we need a pass rush to help the secondary but that goes for the DEs too. There truly aren't that many pass rushing DTs in the league to begin with. What you guys want and are more likely to find is a DT that takes up space and can be effective in the run game.

smdh/facepalm...*sigh*

[The Saltman]

if it makes you happy our biggest needs are 1A. DT 1B CB 1C OT. coo?

[tarheelpride]

So our O-line gets manhandled all night and pushed into the QB they need to protect, our d-line gets pushed to the opposite end zone and have Grand Canyon sized holes, yet CB is our biggest need? Oh ok

[HeatCheck]

Okay then, double whammy. So why is CB a bigger need than our DTs that can't pass rush OR run stop?

What I am saying is if we get a DT (limited number out there) it might help the running game but it sure won't help the secondary. People talk bout how a good pass rush makes up for a bad secondary, that is not entirely true.

[ncbobcat]

What I am saying is if we get a DT (limited number out there) it might help the running game but it sure won't help the secondary. People talk bout how a good pass rush makes up for a bad secondary, that is not entirely true.

Sorry man, I have been fighting this battle since 2002. If you want to be bored by the details, I'll share them.

Let me condense the story...2002 draft, Peppers vs. Quinten Jammer, 2003 Super Bowl, Pro Bowl CBs?

That's the short version.

[Wyank]

You all are being fooled. Coach Rivera has the league fooled as well. We're letting teams run up the middle during the preseason to fool Arizona into thinking our weakness is DT when in reality it is the CB. Now instead of trying to exploit our weakness at CB, Cards will try to run into our strength at DT. They will be so shocked when their O can't move the ball on the ground it will inadvertently effect the WR and QB for the Cards into playing like pooh.

Coach R walks off his first game as HC with a W.

Like a fo ... err brilliant!

[HeatCheck]

So Peppers = DT. Our rush defense can use some help but it rests on more shoulders.

The run defense has more moving parts involved than the pass defense. If someone makes a wrong move in the run game there is more of a chance to fix it. With our secondary we make one wrong move and it could be disaster.

[SOJA]

We need to stop the run first

[ncbobcat]

So Peppers = DT. Our rush defense can use some help but it rests on more shoulders.

The run defense has more moving parts involved than the pass defense. If someone makes a wrong move in the run game there is more of a chance to fix it. With our secondary we make one wrong move and it could be disaster.

Point being, a good pass rush can cover up flaws in an average secondary. While we all know that Peppers was a DE we still had Buckner who was a hell of a 3-technique and didn't allow QBs to step up in the pocket like they wanted to, stout in the run game too along with Jinx. It was a helluva D-line and while we have potential on the Ends now, the interior is sorely lacking.

[HeatCheck]

I am not that big on statistics but for the argument’s sake I took a look at defensive stats. I compared sacks to pass defense and vice versa. According to the adage, I figured that those teams that had the most sacks would also rank high in pass defense. I know sacks aren’t the only way to define pressure but the NFL doesn’t record quarterback hurries. Below are two tables that show the relationship, or lack thereof, between the two stats (2010 season).

Steelers 48.....12

Packers 47.....5

Raiders 47..... 2

Chargers 47.....1

Giants 46....9

Lions 44.....16

Rams 43.....19

First number beside name is # of sacks, second number team rank is pass defense.

There isn’t that strong of a correlation between to two stats. So to say that nabbing a defensive tackle would do wonders for our cornerback position would be an overstatement. The best decision to make would be to upgrade our corners.

All I am saying is that DT might help the run defense but I really don't think it does any good for a secondary. The run defense doesn't rest all on the DTs though. It rests on the DEs, LBs and safeties as well. With our attacking/blitzing defense a lot of the burden will be on the CBs, and they haven't proven to be able to handle the job, even Gamble to an extent.

[HeatCheck]

Point being, a good pass rush can cover up flaws in an average secondary. While we all know that Peppers was a DE we still had Buckner who was a hell of a 3-technique and didn't allow QBs to step up in the pocket like they wanted to, stout in the run game too along with Jinx. It was a helluva D-line and while we have potential on the Ends now, the interior is sorely lacking.

You do realize that most of the sacks came from our DEs. Jenkins was in there a lot too but like I said there just aren't many pass rush DTs to begin with. He was a rare breed.

[Wyank]

How about we just get a DT, CB, and OL help? They all are sucking right now.

[HeatCheck]

How about we just get a DT, CB, and OL help? They all are sucking right now.

I agree ha. I will say that Cam isn't helping the OL in that he doesn't drop back quick enough or gain many yards on his drops. Not trying to defend the OL in anyway but that is another thing Newton needs to work on.