Mike Vick, The Mentor

[teeray]

How is a drinking a beer & driving remotely close to beating, torturing, mutilating, & killing an innocent living animal?

:lol: Because you are actually putting several human's life at risk. You are doing so with no regard to human life. It is sociopathic really.

Should I put up some pictures of people who have been mutilated and/or killed by drunk drivers to garner sympathy??

[TheRealDeal]

you don't know that, you're just saying that. someone like tony dungy, who's actually knowledgable about the situation and the personal aspects of it, would likely rebuff your every statement.

given these facts, why are you being so irreversibly judgmental? why not give a fellow human being the benefit of the doubt until he otherwise gives you reason not to?

How about someone getting shot at his birthday party after Vick gets in an altercation with said person?

Tony Dungy is probably an eternal optimist, I'm a realist.

People don't change, statistics prove it and Vick's actions after jail prove it.

[mav1234]

The Cam haters are the same posters, who hate on Vick, what a coincidence.

nah man fug that.. I don't hate Cam, hell I like the guy from everything I've seen about him. What I think of Cam starting is unrelated to what I have seen of the guy personally. and what Ive seen of Cam personally puts him in a level so far above Vick that I can't even compare the two...

I respect what Vick has done on the football field since coming back, that doesn't mean I like him.

On the other hand, I like Newton, but he hasn't done anything yet on the football field to respect, so I just hope and root for him.

[Udogg]

If Cam is dumb enough to be told he needs to work hard, not kill innocent animals, not bring drugs on an airplane, and not flip off fans, he's not going to have a chance.

My guess? Cam knows those are not good things to do and he doesn't need some media grasp from Vick to get it.

Maybe he told Cam things he learned recently? Like paying attention in film study, working hard, etc. You know the recent things. Maybe even something about not doing the same stupid things I did. Don't get an entourage etc. Also Cam did not seek Vick out, Vick called Cam. You killing Cam and having know idea what they talked about is crazy.

[Captroop]

you don't know that, you're just saying that. someone like tony dungy, who's actually knowledgable about the situation and the personal aspects of it, would likely rebuff your every statement.

given these facts, why are you being so irreversibly judgmental? why not give a fellow human being the benefit of the doubt until he otherwise gives you reason not to?

Didn't he get the benefit of the doubt with the fake water bottle with weed in it? Of the Ron Mexico sexual assault thingy? If you ask me, I think he'd been given ample opportunity to set himself straight before the dog fighting fracas, and he didn't.

The real question is what will it take for you to realize he's still a POS, he's just a POS who has to feign remorse to the public rather than flipping it off?

[TheRealDeal]

I Mike Vick a veterinarian? I fail to see the correlation in your first question. Vick is playing football. :confused:

And I believe the greatest lessons someone can ever learn comes from those who have made mistakes.

Giving someone, who has previously screwed up massively, control of a situation that closely resembles the one he/she screwed up in is never a good idea.

Oh poo, you were a convicted bank robber? Here's your badge and your new title of "Bank Vault Nightshift Manager"

Oh poo, you raped and killed 10 pregnant women but did your time? Well, we do need a new Lamaze instructor for single moms.

Oh poo, you almost ruined an NFL Franchise when you came into the league? Here you go, a nice new rookie to groom and share your expertise with.

[Udogg]

How about someone getting shot at his birthday party after Vick gets in an altercation with said person?

Tony Dungy is probably an eternal optimist, I'm a realist.

People don't change, statistics prove it and Vick's actions after jail prove it.

Prove what? He got invited to a birthday party. A guy who wasn't supposed to be there shows up. Vick leaves sensing the bad direction the night is heading. SOMEONE ELSE SHOOTS A GUN. Vick immediately calls coach explains situation. Sounds like it proves he makes better decisions.

[Udogg]

Giving someone, who has previously screwed up massively, control of a situation that closely resembles the one he/she screwed up in is never a good idea.

Oh poo, you were a convicted bank robber? Here's your badge and your new title of "Bank Vault Nightshift Manager"

Oh poo, you raped and killed 10 pregnant women but did your time? Well, we do need a new Lamaze instructor for single moms.

Oh poo, you almost ruined an NFL Franchise when you came into the league? Here you go, a nice new rookie to groom and share your expertise with.

Oh poo, you used to forge checks? Here come work for the FBI because you can better help us catch forgers.

Oh poo, you used to hack computers? Here come work with this software company to identify faults.

Oh poo, you are a recovered drug addict? Here come talk to these other drug addicts and give them support.

[TheRealDeal]

Prove what? He got invited to a birthday party. A guy who wasn't supposed to be there shows up. Vick leaves sensing the bad direction the night is heading. SOMEONE ELSE SHOOTS A GUN. Vick immediately calls coach explains situation. Sounds like it proves he makes better decisions.

Uhhh it was Vick's birthday party.

Vick invites old crew of buddies to said party instead of celebrating at home.

Guy that snitched tries to talk to Vick, argument ensues. Guy leaves, Vick's crew leaves, guy gets shot.

This all stinks like a situation of a changed man. :lol:

[Guest]

He can do positive all he wants. It's just a cover for the horrible human being he is. You can bet if he didn't get caught, he'd be doing it to this day.

proof plz

Naw, he did some bullpoo time because he's famous. He's served time to the government, not to society.

lol

this doesn't even begin to make sense

So what is Vick going to say that better people before him haven't told Cam?

"Hey, uh, Cam, it's Mike. Don't bring weed onto an airplane and try and actually work hard."

"Uh, Mike...Duh"

oh, i see. so cam newton should only get advice from people who haven't faced significant adversity and haven't done wrong. people who have never been in cam's situation. got it.

[Jrock88]

Giving someone, who has previously screwed up massively, control of a situation that closely resembles the one he/she screwed up in is never a good idea.

Oh poo, you were a convicted bank robber? Here's your badge and your new title of "Bank Vault Nightshift Manager"

Oh poo, you raped and killed 10 pregnant women but did your time? Well, we do need a new Lamaze instructor for single moms.

Oh poo, you almost ruined an NFL Franchise when you came into the league? Here you go, a nice new rookie to groom and share your expertise with.

who said anything about him "grooming" Cam? It was a PHONECALL. You're acting as if they're best buddies or something.

[DaCityKats]

Would you say the same thing about a child molester who is released from prison?

child molester> dog killer. this has to be the worst comparison ever.:rolleyes:

[mav1234]

maybe Vick did give a "What not to do" speech to Cam.

of course, from what Ive heard about his upbringing etc, I suspect Cam already knows most of that, but whatever.

[Udogg]

Have you ever been to VA beach?