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jramsey4

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Rooted in Ron Rivera's comments over and over again about "getting better" and "when we finally figure this thing out" and "growing". Rivera's more visionary than specific. He's trying to "build something", and if he wins, all the better, but if he loses, it's still a "victory" if you're getting better for the future.

"Rationalizing"? I'm putting down Rivera's approach, duh.

Harbaugh knows what he wants to do. Rivera hopes that it all comes together. That's the difference right now. One is a rookie head coach. The other one isn't, and no, the league doesn't matter.

Wordsmith it all you want. Your words are what they are.

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wins are wins. there's no difference from trying to win now or later, as long as you win. the point is invalid.

Winning in the future isn't guaranteed, therefore, you need to try to get your wins now.

All this crap about how good the Panthers will be next season is nothing more than a defense mechanism, when next season isn't promised for anyone on this team. They could have several key injuries in training camp next season, and then what are you going to say? Good that we were "building for the future last season"?

You just said the same thing I said, so is your point also invalid?

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Munnerlyn, AND ESPECIALLY GAMBLE, are the least of our problems defensively. You could line up Night Train Lane and Jack Tatum's corpse's back there if we had any presence on the interior line and starter-quality LBs.

It starts with pressure on the front 7, and we have none. Outside of Ike Taylor, who is/has been the starter while he's been there opposite him in Pittsburgh? Who's the starting CBs for the Ravens? How many guys went through the Philly system as starting CBs and sucked elsewhere?

Gamble is a good CB. Munny and Butler are good in their own right... We have 3 good players out of 7 in front of them, so our defense sucks.

But, your point remains that it falls on Hurney for not addressing the DT position (aside from one scrub signing - I'm not a fan of the Ron Edwards move) and neglecting LB depth as well (wasted pick on LB from UCONN, signed re-hashes from elsewhere).

Yes, the defensive line sucks too in the middle, but we knew that during the preseason, so what's your point?

And no, Gamble is serviceable, as are most players in the NFL. Most aren't "good", and neither is he.

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Harbaugh definitely gets the nod right now as, outside of having the balls to draft/start Newton, Rivera hasn't shown much of anything.

That said, pretending Harbaugh doesn't have much more to work with is ignorant and bordering on stupid.

Take the Panthers offense combine it with the 49ers Defense and make Harbaugh coach and they'd be in the Super Bowl this season.

The Panthers have little to work with on the defensive side of the ball, which everyone knew before the season started, except the fantasy football fools who believe that offense is all that matters.

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Did you read? Hurney is responsible for DT and LB depth not being addressed. If they had been appropriately, then you'd be talking about Chris Gamble getting a statue when he retires.

I've never not known that about Hurney.

Which still means that Gamble is not "good", since he's never going to make anything happen.

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Harbaugh also has more of an established team. Totally different situation. I doubt the Panthers would be significantly better than they are right now, with Harbaugh instead of Rivera. Players play the game. Rivera has coached pretty well for a rookie HC. This team has been making too many errors...not all of them comes down to Head Coach's performance.

Time will tell...say 3 more years, then let's see who has done a better job overall.

These after loss threads suck

Makes this place shitty on gameday.

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It's so obvious the OP has never taken a statistics class.

Rivera inherited a truely terrible team. Our offense was last in the league and has become a top offense in one short offseason. Our defense has had injuries and really needs some size.

Harbaugh has done amazingly but he also inherited a team that has been pegged to break out for how many years? They've got a lot more experienced players over there. It is good to see them have success finally instead of being buried in the west. Harbaugh has also been a head coach, not at this level but he has a leg up regardless in terms of how to manage the entire team.

Admittedly I wanted Harbaugh to be hired here but Chud has been spectacular. I'm not sure about our defensive coordinator McDermott because of reservations I had since watching the Eagles play with him calling plays.

I think both should have success.

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It's so obvious the OP has never taken a statistics class.

Rivera inherited a truely terrible team. Our offense was last in the league and has become a top offense in one short offseason. Our defense has had injuries and really needs some size.

Harbaugh has done amazingly but he also inherited a team that has been pegged to break out for how many years? They've got a lot more experienced players over there. It is good to see them have success finally instead of being buried in the west. Harbaugh has also been a head coach, not at this level but he has a leg up regardless in terms of how to manage the entire team.

Admittedly I wanted Harbaugh to be hired here but Chud has been spectacular. I'm not sure about our defensive coordinator McDermott because of reservations I had since watching the Eagles play with him calling plays.

I think both should have success.

That, plus subtract their MLB, WLB and a starting DT and I'm not so sure they look quite as good.

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Winning in the future isn't guaranteed, therefore, you need to try to get your wins now.

All this crap about how good the Panthers will be next season is nothing more than a defense mechanism, when next season isn't promised for anyone on this team. They could have several key injuries in training camp next season, and then what are you going to say? Good that we were "building for the future last season"?

You just said the same thing I said, so is your point also invalid?

not your point, the point of saying Harbaugh is playing to win in the short term vs Rivera gearing up for the long term. Like I said, wins are wins. There is no short term or long term, only right now. As Herm Edwards famously said, "Hello? You play to win the game."

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