Adrian Peterson

[Udogg]

Just to be clear:

So... you have some people who want our offense to carry us by scoring at least 28-33 points a game with few to no turnovers. Like lets say only Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees can do on a consistent basis. However since our rookie QB hasn't done this, it's pretty much his fault that we are 2-5 instead of 7-0. In fact our QB mistakes are losing us games and making the defense appear worst than it is. Is this correct? Just wanted to make sure before I commented.

[teeray]

I will tell you how much total yards really matter. Last year San Diego was top 5 in both offense and defense in total yards but didn't even make the playoffs.

It is a very misleading stat in terms of evaluating offenses and defenses.

[Pantherball]

This is getting old. Again, 2-0 when we don't turn over the ball and our O plays a full game. Cam Newton was by far the biggest improvement from last week to this week and from the way he played in our 5 losses. Our offensive efficiency was top notch. It improved every side of the ball. We win. That's all that needs to be said.

There is an important question left unanswered and that is whether or not Cam Newton is clutch. So far the jury's out.

And so is whether or not he can maintain this type of performance throwing for 35 passes a game. He only threw 23 this past Sunday and his stats improved all around, including completion %. So a lot of pressure was taken out of him, mostly because we didn't dig ourselves into a hole and desperately tried to catch up and there's nothing wrong with that. It's less important than winning but I know what everyone REALLY wants to see is a 350-400 yard passing game, 35 attempts, comeback from behind win, 3 passing TD game. Then you can say he's arrived. He took a step in the right direction this past Sunday. I was really happy to see the passing TD too. We should have done this from the get go and it would have allowed him to settle in slowly and UP his passing attempts as we went on. That's what other coaches did with their QBs. We did it backwards and that's coaching to blame. We would have lost less games. But if he can ever get back to the production of his first 2 games, while maintaining his accuracy and winning a comeback, you earn the right to be in conversations with "elite' QBs. If he can do that on top of his thing with his legs, he'll be on his own new level of elite. Until then it's just a lot of hype.

And honestly, enough of the rookie poo. It was old a month ago. We're mid-way through the season. He has 7 NFL games under his belt now, plus another 4 pre-season games. After Sunday, that should have gone out the window. He has more game experience than The Golden Calf of Bristol and nobody's giving that dude excuses. He's like half a QB. He wins games in the 4th quarter and OT and Fox still hates him. I can understand excuses for a guy like that, but Cam's expectations should be on a completely different level. And as of right now our clown needs to step it up and continue finishing games and learn how to maintain composure, not just under pocket pressure, but game-winning pressure.

Make no mistake. Washington was a relatively easy win. The Jaguars win was much tougher for him than Washington.

[teeray]

Just to be clear:

So... you have some people who want our offense to carry us by scoring at least 28-33 points a game with few to no turnovers. Like lets say only Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees can do on a consistent basis. However since our rookie QB hasn't done this, it's pretty much his fault that we are 2-5 instead of 7-0. In fact our QB mistakes are losing us games and making the defense appear worst than it is. Is this correct? Just wanted to make sure before I commented.

If by some people you mean 1 person than yes.

[teeray]

This is getting old. Again, 2-0 when we don't turn over the ball and our O plays a full game. Cam Newton was by far the biggest improvement from last week to this week and from the way he played in our 5 losses. Our offensive efficiency was top notch. It improved every side of the ball. We win. That's all that needs to be said.

Again. Is our defense that fugging pooty that he has to complete 80% of his passes and not turn the ball over ever again in order for us to win??

That is not a defense that is doing what it needs to do to win. That is our offense winning in spite of our defense.

If you are right then our defense sucks worse than I initially thought. :eek:

And nobody thinks Cam is elite at this point in his career. We think he will be elite in the very near future. He is still learning and is going to have games where he struggles some.

I know you don't want to hear it but he is still a rookie. A lot of QBs it takes 3-4 years of game action before they are truly a master at their craft. Very few are this successful this fast.

[X-Clown]

This is getting old.

I couldn't agree more

[Pantherball]

Just to be clear:

So... you have some people who want our offense to carry us by scoring at least 28-33 points a game with few to no turnovers. Like lets say only Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees can do on a consistent basis. However since our rookie QB hasn't done this, it's pretty much his fault that we are 2-5 instead of 7-0. In fact our QB mistakes are losing us games and making the defense appear worst than it is. Is this correct? Just wanted to make sure before I commented.

No not exactly.

But first, actually Cam Newton just did that so it's not that crazy but not quite what I said.

What I'm saying was you can have turnovers if you score over 30 meaningful points.

Again, simply put, an offense that averages 416 offensive yards should = 30 points a game. Forget turnovers. It's that simple. It's normal. It's not asking too much, it's not asking something crazy, it's in line with what they are. A 416 yard per game offense.

This is what they should be doing. Rookie or not. If they can get 400+ yards per game they can get 30+ points per game.

[teeray]

No not exactly.

But first, actually Cam Newton just did that so it's not that crazy but not quite what I said.

What I'm saying was you can have turnovers if you score over 30 meaningful points.

Again, simply put, an offense that averages 416 offensive yards should = 30 points a game. Forget turnovers. It's that simple. It's normal. It's not asking too much, it's not asking something crazy, it's in line with what they are. A 416 yard per game offense.

This is what they should be doing. Rookie or not. If they can get 400+ yards per game they can get 30+ points per game.

Yes. exactly like San Diego did last year :rofl:

They averaged 27 points a game, was #1 in total offense, #1 in total yards on defense, only gave up 20 ppg, and play in the worst division in all of football. They were awesome.

Oh wait it says here they didn't make the playoffs. :nonod:

This is too easy. Tell me again how important those total yards stats are again :rofl:

[mav1234]

san diego was a somewhat special case - they had the worst special teams unit in the country that cost them several games.

yeah special teams lost us the bears game but theirs was even worse.

[Pantherball]

And 27 < 30 too.

I got an idea, how about we average 30 or more, even with Cam Newton throwing 2 pics, which is what this offense is built to do and should be doing....and then you can say that about our team like about SD. Let's see if we still lose. So far we won the only time we did that.

[mav1234]

Where did the "this team is meant to average 30+" points come from? I mean I know that's a hope of every team, but I don't understand where the basis of that originates.

[ed bell]

No not exactly.

But first, actually Cam Newton just did that so it's not that crazy but not quite what I said.

What I'm saying was you can have turnovers if you score over 30 meaningful points.

Again, simply put, an offense that averages 416 offensive yards should = 30 points a game. Forget turnovers. It's that simple. It's normal. It's not asking too much, it's not asking something crazy, it's in line with what they are. A 416 yard per game offense.

This is what they should be doing. Rookie or not. If they can get 400+ yards per game they can get 30+ points per game.

Now we have the term "meaningful points"? Meaningful as in points scored when you get the W? How come your simple recepie for this team's success is so complicated?

Look, the 400 ypg benchmark doesn't ensure anything. Look at the teams averaging around that many ypg (I'm going to include the Steelers at 383).....their ppg totals range all the way from 21.6 to 34.1. The turnover ratios amongst these teams is all over the place as well. Why is that? Maybe because the Defense, Special Teams, Red-Zone efficiency, Third-Down efficiency, TOP and penalties are playing a role?

This ultra-simplistic idea that our if our offense turns in a nearly mistake free game at the 400 ypg level is going to trump other problems we have is laughable. There is nothing groundbreaking about saying that limiting turnovers, and/or scoring more points in a game than 31 other teams in the league are averaging greatly increases your chances of winning.

[TheOracle]

He ran for 296 yards one game his rookie season.

Hopefully he's lost a step and only manages 196 this weekend.

[Pantherball]

Where did the "this team is meant to average 30+" points come from? I mean I know that's a hope of every team, but I don't understand where the basis of that originates.

Because we average 416 total yards a game, we're ranked 5th in total offense, and have blown countless scoring opportunities.

Because we are the lowest scoring 400+ yard per game team which simply means inefficiency compared to to other offensive powerhouses: turn-overs, red-zone issues, stupid penalties, rookie QB.

Because our O has basically been irrelevant as an offense in a full quarter of the game in all of our losses?