Run game

[PiratePanther189]

And that doesn't mean run from the shotgun, it means get Cam's ass under center more and hand the ball off, then use play action at the right time. Chud calls more play actions from under center than actual run plays...that makes sense :out:

[doghead28]

i agree with that, they tried play action several times yesterday without the run being established and it got blown up.

[bleys]

some numbers from our last 7 games.....

107

169

162

139

175

140

113

what was this thread about again?

[nosuchthingasapanther]

some numbers from our last 7 games.....

107

169

162

139

175

140

113

what was this thread about again?

about rushing with the running backs and not the qb...

[realtriumph]

Why we can't establish it:

1st and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) D.Williams right end to CAR 23 for 3 yards (A.Ayers).

2nd and 7 at CAR 23 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short right to J.Stewart.

3rd and 7 at CAR 23 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short right to J.Stewart.

1st and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) D.Williams up the middle to CAR 24 for 4 yards (J.Casey). Direct snap to 34-Williams,DeAngelo

2nd and 6 at CAR 24 J.Stewart up the middle to CAR 33 for 9 yards (J.McCourty, C.Finnegan).

1st and 10 at CAR 33 D.Williams left tackle to CAR 28 for -5 yards (C.McCarthy).

2nd and 15 at CAR 28 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass deep middle intended for S.Smith INTERCEPTED by M.Griffin at CAR 47. M.Griffin to CAR 27 for 20 yards (J.Gross). PENALTY on TEN-A.Ayers, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at CAR 28 - No Play.

1st and 10 at CAR 33 C.Newton pass short middle to L.Naanee to CAR 47 for 14 yards (J.Babineaux).

1st and 10 at CAR 47 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep left to S.Smith (C.Finnegan).

2nd and 10 at CAR 47 (Shotgun) J.Stewart up the middle to TEN 37 for 16 yards (J.Babineaux, M.Griffin).

1st and 10 at TEN 37 D.Williams right tackle to TEN 36 for 1 yard (S.Marks).

2nd and 9 at TEN 36 C.Newton pass short left to G.Olsen to TEN 20 for 16 yards (G.McRath).

1st and 10 at TEN 20 D.Williams left tackle to TEN 17 for 3 yards (J.Jones).

2nd and 7 at TEN 17 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short right to G.Olsen to TEN 10 for 7 yards (W.Witherspoon). FUMBLES (W.Witherspoon), RECOVERED by TEN-A.Ayers at TEN 8. A.Ayers to TEN 8 for no gain (G.Olsen).

1st and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) C.Newton sacked at CAR 14 for -6 yards (W.Witherspoon).

2nd and 16 at CAR 14 J.Stewart right tackle to CAR 17 for 3 yards (C.McCarthy).

3rd and 13 at CAR 17 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to G.Olsen to CAR 26 for 9 yards (C.McCarthy).

1st and 10 at CAR 40 C.Newton sacked at CAR 30 for -10 yards (J.Jones).

2nd and 20 at CAR 30 (Shotgun) C.Newton left end to CAR 35 for 5 yards (G.McRath).

3rd and 15 at CAR 35 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to J.Stewart to CAR 41 for 6 yards (A.Ayers, C.McCarthy).

1st and 10 at CAR 33 (Shotgun) D.Williams up the middle to CAR 34 for 1 yard (J.Casey).

2nd and 9 at CAR 34 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to S.Smith to CAR 35 for 1 yard (A.Verner).

3rd and 8 at CAR 35 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short middle to G.Olsen

1st and 10 at CAR 24 J.Stewart left end to CAR 19 for -5 yards (J.Casey).

2nd and 15 at CAR 19 C.Newton pass incomplete short middle to G.Olsen [K.Klug].

3rd and 15 at CAR 19 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep right to G.Olsen.

1st and 10 at CAR 12 C.Newton scrambles up the middle to CAR 22 for 10 yards (A.Ayers).

1st and 10 at CAR 22 C.Newton pass short right to S.Smith to CAR 24 for 2 yards (J.McCourty).

2nd and 8 at CAR 24 C.Newton FUMBLES (Aborted) at CAR 24, and recovers at CAR 23. C.Newton to CAR 23 for no gain (J.McCourty).

3rd and 9 at CAR 23 (Shotgun) C.Newton scrambles right end to CAR 30 for 7 yards

1st and 10 at CAR 30 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short right to J.Stewart to CAR 36 for 6 yards (C.Finnegan; C.McCarthy).

2nd and 4 at CAR 36 (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Newton pass short right to J.Stewart to CAR 34 for -2 yards

3rd and 11 at CAR 29 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short middle to G.Olsen to CAR 42 for 13 yards

1st and 10 at CAR 42 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short right to J.Stewart (A.Ayers).

2nd and 10 at CAR 42 (Shotgun) C.Newton scrambles left end to TEN 32 for 26 yards (A.Ayers).

1st and 10 at TEN 32 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short left to G.Olsen.

2nd and 10 at TEN 32 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep left to G.Olsen.

3rd and 10 at TEN 32 O.Mare 50 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left,

1st and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) D.Williams right guard to CAR 41 for 21 yards (C.McCarthy).

1st and 10 at CAR 41 C.Newton pass short right to S.Smith to CAR 43 for 2 yards (J.McCourty).

2nd and 8 at CAR 43 (Shotgun) C.Newton sacked at CAR 29 for -14 yards (C.Finnegan).

3rd and 22 at CAR 29 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to S.Smith to CAR 42 for 13 yards (J.Babineaux).

1st and 10 at TEN 19 C.Newton sacked at TEN 26 for -7 yards (sack split by W.Hayes and S.Marks).

2nd and 17 at TEN 26 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to J.Stewart to TEN 14 for 12 yards (M.Sheppard).

3rd and 5 at TEN 14 (Shotgun) C.Newton scrambles up the middle to TEN 11 for 3 yards (A.Ayers).

1st and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short right to L.Naanee ran ob at CAR 25 for 5 yards (C.Finnegan).

2nd and 5 at CAR 25 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short right [C.McCarthy].

3rd and 5 at CAR 25 (Shotgun) C.Newton scrambles up the middle to CAR 29 for 4 yards (C.McCarthy; K.Klug). Penalty on CAR-R.Kalil, Offensive Holding, declined.

1st and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to J.Shockey to CAR 39 for 19 yards (J.Babineaux).

1st and 10 at CAR 39 (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to L.Naanee to 50 for 11 yards (J.Babineaux).

1st and 10 at 50 C.Newton pass deep middle to L.Naanee to TEN 32 for 18 yards (M.Griffin).

1st and 10 at TEN 32 (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to S.Smith to TEN 17 for 15 yards (A.Verner).

1st and 10 at TEN 17 (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short left to G.Olsen (M.Griffin).

2nd and 10 at TEN 17 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short right to B.LaFell. PENALTY on CAR-B.Bell, Personal Foul, 15 yards, enforced at TEN 17.

2nd and 25 at TEN 32 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short middle to S.Smith.

3rd and 25 at TEN 32 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass deep left intended for L.Naanee INTERCEPTED by C.Hope at TEN 10. C.Hope to TEN 17 for 7 yards (B.LaFell).

1st and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short left to D.Williams.

2nd and 15 at CAR 15 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep right to G.Olsen (J.Babineaux).

3rd and 15 at CAR 15 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short right to B.LaFell to CAR 33 for 18 yards (J.McCourty).

1st and 10 at CAR 33 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to L.Naanee to CAR 42 for 9 yards (C.McCarthy).

2nd and 1 at CAR 42 (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short left to S.Smith.

3rd and 1 at CAR 42 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short right to L.Naanee to TEN 48 for 10 yards (J.McCourty). PENALTY on TEN-M.Griffin, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at TEN 48.

1st and 10 at TEN 33 (Shotgun) C.Newton sacked at TEN 42 for -9 yards (A.Ayers).

2nd and 19 at TEN 42 (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Newton scrambles left end to TEN 35 for 7 yards (A.Verner). PENALTY on CAR-B.Bell, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at TEN 42 - No Play.

2nd and 29 at CAR 48 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to L.Naanee ran ob at TEN 47 for 5 yards.

3rd and 24 at TEN 47 (Shotgun) C.Newton scrambles right end to TEN 41 for 6 yards (J.McCourty).

(Shotgun) C.Newton pass short left to L.Naanee to TEN 44 for 3 yards (C.Finnegan). PENALTY on CAR-S.Smith, Offensive Holding,

3rd and 31 at CAR 46 D.Williams left end to TEN 47 for 7 yards (A.Verner).

from under center:

9 passes: 3 good(48). 2 for 2 yards to smith. 2 sacks(-17). 1 fumble. 1 incomplete.

7 runs/13 yards = 1.2ypa

1 scramble(10)

17 plays/58 yards =3.4yards. Jacksonville(32nd) gets 4.0 yards per play.

It's hard to establish the run out of shotgun/pistol spread when Smith's wrapped up. You need a very accurate passer that can complete short passes all day long: Brees, Brady, Aaron. Even then it's still hard. In our case you need run formations, and taking snaps form under center. Problem is to set up the run out of running formations, you need to pass more out of running formations. This requires play action, turning around, 3-step and 7-step drop back passes, great timing. When Cam passes out of I formations, bad things happen. So for us they work only when we use them sparingly and catch opponents by surprise so our guys are wide open.

And if you're always passing out of the shotgun/pistol spread, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you're going to do when you get under center which is why Chud still passes sometimes. I think even a monkey would figure it out after about 10 times. Cam has not earned enough credibility with NFL defenses and defensive coordinators that he's a good passer from run formations. They know, most of the time it will be a short dump-off or a run when we go under center. Especially with Smith sitting back waiting for a dump-off.

I understand the idea of surprise. It makes defenses think we're going to run with Smith sitting back, but it also takes away your deep threat every time you do that and Stew would be much better suited for the job. Smith should be running up field anyway if we want short 3-4 yard passes on first down. I would rather do a poor job faking the hand-off, make them think it's a fake hand-off, especially with Smith running, making them drop back, then just dump it off to Stewart or anyone else. If Smith happens to get open and beat his man: hit him deep on first down.

I just wanna know why 9 weeks into the season Cam has trouble with snaps from under center and we're still looking the same we did against Green Bay & Arizona when fast pass rushers blow up this playbook. I looked at this back then too.

[csx]

you are forced to be one dimensional when you are put in that situation.

that's why it's important for your special teams and defense to not suck, esp. early n the game. you put the offense in a situation that they are forced to try and get the ball down quickly. you don't have the luxury of running the ball because it eats up too much clock.

if you want to control the game, you take control early. if you want to regain control of the game later, then you have to get down the field as quickly as possible and score as often as possible. you can't do that with a heavy dose of running.

not sure why thats so hard to understand. when you get abused early by the other team, you forfeit control of the game.

Down by two TD's with 3 1/2 quarters of football left is no reason to abandon the run. When you have a bad defense, you absolutely have to run to have any chance to win the game. There is a reason you always hear of sticking with the game plan and not going into panic mode when bad things happen early.

[Bj-Monster23]

We need a steady ground game that all. It's hard to do that when our O-line wont fire off the ball and our RG getting blowed up 5 yards into the backfield.

[rayzor]

Down by two TD's with 3 1/2 quarters of football left is no reason to abandon the run. When you have a bad defense, you absolutely have to run to have any chance to win the game. There is a reason you always hear of sticking with the game plan and not going into panic mode when bad things happen early.

it's not a matter of panicing. it's working with the hand thats dealt you.

when your defense and special teams give up that many points that early in the game, you can't live under the delusion that they won't be giving up more. you absolutely have to be aggressive in getting the ball downfield and that means airing it out. they had just as much time to grow their lead as we did to get back in the game. the D and ST showed that they couldn't be trusted to stop them.

it isn't just the being down by 14 points so early either. because of some very successful blitzing on first down, they were stuck in some 2nd and long situations. you don't run very often then either.

you abandon the run to get back in the game quickly, esp. when you have a defense and special teams that can't be trusted to stop the other team from scoring more.

When you have a bad defense, you absolutely have to run to have any chance to win the game.

this would be true if you had the lead or the game was close. that was never the case. when you are down by that many points priority #1 is to score as quickly as possible regardless of how the defense does.

[rayzor]

We need a steady ground game that all. It's hard to do that when our O-line wont fire off the ball and our RG getting blowed up 5 yards into the backfield.

we typically have one, esp. if you consider newton part of it which he is.