McDermott struggling to get Panthers' defense on track

[jarhead]

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I share the frustration with McDermott

[MWCarolina]

i know the defense is struggling, but it's not all on the coaching, McDermott needs the players to get this defense on track.

[DawgzLife]

McDermott has never shown any ability to improve a defense. I personally hope they let him go after this season, b/c I am tired of people claiming it is b/c of injuries. We are NOT the only team to lose starters!

So people are thinking the players aren't trying? Is it not partly the DC's job to help identify players to the HC & GM that can help the D (at least scheme-wise).

How do teams go to the playoffs & win when starters get hurt, but we can't even get to out of 1 of the 2 worst defenses in the entire league? It is not just players who don't care or don't have talent...you can say that every year that a team under-performs then.

Honestly, I'm just tired of us sucking. To score on O as much as we do & still lose games is quite ridiculous... bye bye McDermott :seeya:

[bleys]

McDermott has never shown any ability to improve a defense. I personally hope they let him go after this season, b/c I am tired of people claiming it is b/c of injuries. We are NOT the only team to lose starters!

So people are thinking the players aren't trying? Is it not partly the DC's job to help identify players to the HC & GM that can help the D (at least scheme-wise).

How do teams go to the playoffs & win when starters get hurt, but we can't even get to out of 1 of the 2 worst defenses in the entire league? It is not just players who don't care or don't have talent...you can say that every year that a team under-performs then.

Honestly, I'm just tired of us sucking. To score on O as much as we do & still lose games is quite ridiculous... bye bye McDermott :seeya:

explains it all..

yes, it sucks.. but if you can't grasp how having 2 rookie DTs starting and your LBers are decimated and playing all game, well, you are ignoring a HUGE issue..

most teams have injuries, and even they aren't facing that scenario. . and if they are, I guarantee you they are towards last in the league...

[Cyberjag]

Bleys, do you think McDermott is doing a good job?

[DawgzLife]

yes, it sucks.. but if you can't grasp how having 2 rookie DTs starting and your LBers are decimated and playing all game, well, you are ignoring a HUGE issue.. most teams have injuries, and even they aren't facing that scenario. . and if they are, I guarantee you they are towards last in the league...

Seriously?! Understand? Who picks the players, the Falcons? You play with the guys you have & you find a way to succeed. Does anyone really think Ron freaking Edwards would have changed the whole defense? Did you notice how the D played the game WITH Beason & Davis in there?! (Beason got injured in the 3rd quarter, so it's not like he didn't play for a significant amount of time)

D gave up approximately 300 yards passing, 100 yards rushing & 4 TDs (28 points) that game. Is that the power D we would have if Beason & Davis didn't get hurt? Talk about lack of understanding. :crazy:

How about you face reality instead of your emotional stammering that it is not McDermott's fault, it's not Rivera's fault, it's not Hurney's fault, it's not Richardson's fault...WHO's freaking fault is it?! Please explain rather than making excuses for those responsible to put a NFL ready D on the field.

[bleys]

Seriously?! Understand? Who picks the players, the Falcons? You play with the guys you have & you find a way to succeed. Does anyone really think Ron freaking Edwards would have changed the whole defense? Did you notice how the D played the game WITH Beason & Davis in there?! (Beason got injured in the 3rd quarter, so it's not like he didn't play for a significant amount of time)

D gave up approximately 300 yards passing, 100 yards rushing & 4 TDs (28 points) that game. Is that the power D we would have if Beason & Davis didn't get hurt? Talk about lack of understanding. :crazy:

How about you face reality instead of your emotional stammering that it is not McDermott's fault, it's not Rivera's fault, it's not Hurney's fault, it's not Richardson's fault...WHO's freaking fault is it?! Please explain rather than making excuses for those responsible to put a NFL ready D on the field.

don't be mad.. it's kind of a big deal.

Bleys, do you think McDermott is doing a good job?

I've seen some bright spots on D.. we've won a ton of games in the 1st half.. I think depth is killing us in the 2nd.. once that is fixed, I think all the blame can be sat squarely on McDermott's shoulders..

am I saying the D been spectacular? :lol: come on now... we are getting killed running the ball for obvious reasons and our LBers suck in coverage..

if he's really doing that bad, he'll get fired in the offseason by guys who truly know what the deal is.. listening to people bitch from the couch who want to totally disregard our thin D (to put it lightly) isn't something I'm going to subscribe to at the moment..

I have seen plays where he's made the wrong calls, thinking pass instead of run.. I can't say I see that all the time though and some of that is going to happen.. as they say, the other team practices too..

is the tackling on McDermott? obviously it's not the best it's ever been, but tackling has been a complaint for quite a few years.. and considering rookies and backups are mostly playing aside from our DE's, Gamble, Godfrey and Munnerlyn.. (who happen to be tackling well..)

[DawgzLife]

don't be mad.. it's kind of a big deal.

I'm not mad, just looking at the facts; weak retort.

[adub2b23]

It's the players fault. People are in position to make plays and consistently don't make them, missed tackles etc

[bleys]

I'm not mad, just looking at the facts; weak retort.

I didn't read it so I can't really give a retort. ;)

[frash.exe]

herp derp fire mcdermott because he can't get a bunch of 23 year olds and special teams players to play top ten defense in its first year of system integration without a normal offseason schedule fluuurrrrhurrrhurrr

[Marguide]

In evaluating McDermott, let's look at some facts:

• Philly ended last year with a defensive ranking of 14 (FO DVOA).
  
  
• This year, Philly added Nnamdi Asomugha, Cullen Jenkins, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Jason Babin to the defense. All but Jenkins have been considered star players in the league.
  
  
• Philly currently sits at a ranking of 19
  

I think many have formed an opinion based on his firing last year. If so, you may want to reconsider your position.

[ed bell]

Does anyone really think Ron freaking Edwards would have changed the whole defense?

Not the whole defense, but he certainly was a big puzzle piece for the D line. They expected to plug him in as a starting caliber DT, and he is one. Shame he got hurt, but he wasn't known to be injury prone at all. If he played this year I'm sure the D-Line would have benefited....I guess we'll have to wait and see.

D gave up approximately 300 yards passing, 100 yards rushing & 4 TDs (28 points) that game.

PP6 returned a Punt for a TD and there were a couple of ridiculous long pass plays given up. West Coast away game with a shortened off-season for a team coming off a 2-14 year. I didn't like it, but I can see how it happened.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

In evaluating McDermott, let's look at some facts:

• Philly ended last year with a defensive ranking of 14 (FO DVOA).
  
  
• This year, Philly added Nnamdi Asomugha, Cullen Jenkins, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Jason Babin to the defense. All but Jenkins have been considered star players in the league.
  
  
• Philly currently sits at a ranking of 19
  

I think many have formed an opinion based on his firing last year. If so, you may want to reconsider your position.

This is poor way to look at things. First off you didn't bring up any players they lost. But even if we assume that they have more talent on D this year this really only shows that McD is better than their new DC (the guy that was their OLine coach last year BTW) not that he's actually any good.

But I'll give you pie/rep just cause you used bullets.