Positive Newton Stat

[Argus Plexus]

Everyone seems really nitpicky about Cam

[Seltzer]

Everyone seems really nitpicky about Cam

One of the truest things I have read on here in a long time. Cam Newton in my opinion as I have stated is going to go down as the greatest rookie QB in history in terms of what he has individually done.

Which is make a 2-14 team both relevant and competitive week in and week out without an off-season and transforming a historically bad offense last year into a top 5 unit.

I really don't understand how people can not be in awe of what Cam has brought to the Panthers.

All professional players are open to criticism- that's part of the deal, especially QB's, but how much can you really criticize what Cam has done?

He does seem to let bad plays, especially bad INT's, linger with him and maybe affect him, but other than that, I can't think of one bad thing to say about the guy.

[Showtime]

eh, they are a good D but I think overall Cam has already seen comparable ones.

Houston has played 1 top 10 offense all season.

They also have played the

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ranked offenses.

When your offensive opponents break down like that.....it makes you look pretty dang good on paper. Not saying the Texans don't have a D....but they are more of just your standard top 10 caliber D.

Be careful CRA or you're going to be going off the deep end;) You're making the same point I did. There's something else you need to be aware of though on top of that. Not only is Houston's defense not the poo, and have inflated stats, but defenses just don't matter that much in general because they are so even across teams.

You can put up 30 points on Houston as easily as anyone else, IF you have an efficient offense. If you don't, it depends on Houston turning over the ball to put up 30 points on them. We can't put up 30 points without 3 takeaways, and Houston doesn't typically give up 3 turnovers.

Houston may have an inflated defense but they do still have a very efficient offense. Their schedule of facing inefficient teams have helped. But that doesn't mean their offense isn't executing efficiently on top of that.

So what we actually have coming up isn't a great defense versus a bad defense. We have two roughly equal defenses facing each other, but one very efficient offense, and one who has only been consistently inefficient and inconsistently efficient. If our offense executes, and plays efficiently, we have a good chance.

But even if our offense plays efficiently and executes, you will end up with two efficient offenses playing each other. And it will NOT be an easy game even if we play efficiently. You'll have two average defenses and two efficient offenses going at it.

They are more experienced in being consistent regardless of QB. Yates has proven to win at the end of the game. He's already had 2 comeback wins, and a few 80+ game winning drives. He's even had a 92 yard game winning drive.

That's something we cannot do yet.

In other words, best case scenario for us, if our offense executes is a Saints-Panthers repeat. Two offenses playing very efficient, and it will come down to the wire as long as we don't do something stupid like our coach giving away free points. If our O executes it should make for a great game. It WILL come down to the last drive though.

[Moose87Banks]

We beat ourselves. All of this means nothing because if we can't learn to finish games strong or atleast hold our opponents to 2 TD's in the second half. It's all horsesh*t

[pstall]

Hey guys thanks for taking my over analyzing crown from me. Lol

[CRA]

Be careful CRA or you're going to be going off the deep end;) You're making the same point I did. There's something else you need to be aware of though on top of that. Not only is Houston's defense not the poo, and have inflated stats, but defenses just don't matter that much in general because they are so even across teams.

You can put up 30 points on Houston as easily as anyone else, IF you have an efficient offense. If you don't, it depends on Houston turning over the ball to put up 30 points on them. We can't put up 30 points without 3 takeaways, and Houston doesn't typically give up 3 turnovers.

Houston may have an inflated defense but they do still have a very efficient offense. Their schedule of facing inefficient teams have helped. But that doesn't mean their offense isn't executing efficiently on top of that.

So what we actually have coming up isn't a great defense versus a bad defense. We have two roughly equal defenses facing each other, but one very efficient offense, and one who has only been consistently inefficient and inconsistently efficient. If our offense executes, and plays efficiently, we have a good chance.

But even if our offense plays efficiently and executes, you will end up with two efficient offenses playing each other. And it will NOT be an easy game even if we play efficiently. You'll have two average defenses and two efficient offenses going at it.

They are more experienced in being consistent regardless of QB. Yates has proven to win at the end of the game. He's already had 2 comeback wins, and a few 80+ game winning drives. He's even had a 92 yard game winning drive.

That's something we cannot do yet.

In other words, best case scenario for us, if our offense executes is a Saints-Panthers repeat. Two offenses playing very efficient, and it will come down to the wire as long as we don't do something stupid like our coach giving away free points. If our O executes it should make for a great game. It WILL come down to the last drive though.

No, there are HUGE difference in NFL defenses. There aren't huge differences between the #9 and #1 ranked defense. There are HUGE differences between the Carolina and Denver D for example. There are also HUGE differences between the Carolina and Denver special teams.

you just claimed in another thread Denver has one of the most efficient offenses in the NFL under The Golden Calf of Bristol. They are horrible on offense. They can't put up those kind of points except against a bad team....the reason they can't is b/c they suck on offense.

To make the claim the Carolina and Houston D's are comparable is utterly retarded. To win, Carolina's offense has to play FLAWLESS. Houston's offense can turn the ball over 4 times and still win. Defense matters

[Razeyfingers]

Did that dude say defenses in the NFL are all about the same?

When did PStall win something? Were there door prizes?

[Showtime]

No, there are HUGE difference in NFL defenses. There aren't huge differences between the #9 and #1 ranked defense. There are HUGE differences between the Carolina and Denver D for example. There are also HUGE differences between the Carolina and Denver special teams.

you just claimed in another thread Denver has one of the most efficient offenses in the NFL under The Golden Calf of Bristol. They are horrible on offense. They can't put up those kind of points except against a bad team....the reason they can't is b/c they suck on offense.

To make the claim the Carolina and Houston D's are comparable is utterly retarded. To win, Carolina's offense has to play FLAWLESS. Houston's offense can turn the ball over 4 times and still win. Defense matters

Yeah Denver D has had to deal with 2 interceptions from The Golden Calf of Bristol while ours had to deal with 16.

Isn't it amazing Denver's defense "magically" got better EXACTLY after The Golden Calf of Bristol started playing? Maybe it was God.

And no. Carolina's offense just has to play like Houston's or Denver's. Of course Denver's offense is a tall order considering The Golden Calf of Bristol is damn near flawless and perfect in interceptions. He's also perfect in 4th quarter comebacks. Nobody can play like The Golden Calf of Bristol right now.

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they didn't magicly get better, besides the Green Bay game, every game lost with Orten under center was 5 points or less...even The Golden Calf of Bristol got blown out by Detroit...they played 2 good teams and got blown out by both, the rest of their shed. was shitty to average teams

[AceMan]

Did that dude say defenses in the NFL are all about the same?

When did PStall win something? Were there door prizes?

He don't really care about defense, he's been exposed on that already

I really do hope Cam comes back strong and shut a few fools up, at least for a week

[Showtime]

they didn't magicly get better, besides the Green Bay game, every game lost with Orten under center was 5 points or less...even The Golden Calf of Bristol got blown out by Detroit...they played 2 good teams and got blown out by both, the rest of their shed. was pooty to average teams

Exactly, their offensive efficiency did. Defense didn't make a damn difference.

[YoungPanthers89]

Guys just admit it, Can nootan suckkkssss.

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Exactly, their offensive efficiency did. Defense didn't make a damn difference.

no, they also seemed to score MORE points on average then too...but The Golden Calf of Bristol has had the benefit of playing he weaker teams then Kyle got to play

[Showtime]

He don't really care about defense, he's been exposed on that already

I really do hope Cam comes back strong and shut a few fools up, at least for a week

Oh you have it all wrong. I do care about defense. In fact that's why I hate seeing ours trolled so much without actually understanding these terrible stats no respectable analyst uses...like yards allowed.

I just know they are very evenly matched and offensive EXECUTION matters most in football because the difference between the number 5 defense in the league and number 25 defense in the league...is roughly ~5 yards per drive. Less than a damn first down.

You never look at the numbers do you? You just look at the ranking.

And what actually matters more is points allowed. And in football an average offense gets 3.5 points off of turnovers at midfield. When you have 3 and outs and turnovers in your own half of the field, that tends to make for a "pooty defense".

So you see when The Golden Calf of Bristol only throws 2 interceptions per 8 games and the rest of the time punts to pin the other team back....it makes for GREAT defenses. It also kills the clock a lot when you run, so nobody gets to score a lot.

Or perhaps you believe Philadelphia's defense also turned into complete poo magically and it had nothing to do with Michael Vick leading the league in interceptions.