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It Is Going To Be Fletcher Cox.......


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No offense, but I'm sure that means little to nothing to Hurney and his staff.

At least, I sure hope it does. It would be shame if Hurney had Kiper's big board bookmarked.

It wasn't Kiper's board, but I get your point. Their research I'm sure is more thorough. Just thought it was interesting that the collective scouting departments are agreeing on this guy being a big time riser.

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People are starting to look at the game tape more now that is why he is riseing.

At First they were on Stills and Brockers. Then at the Combine people fell in love with Poe. Now they are loooking at Combine and Game tape. Cox does great in both now he is shooting up draft boards.

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It wasn't Kiper's board, but I get your point. Their research I'm sure is more thorough. Just thought it was interesting that the collective scouting departments are agreeing on this guy being a big time riser.

The thing is that Hurney and a lot of other GMs value game tape over combine numbers. All the scouts that put Poe as the #1 DT should be ashamed of themselves for only considering his combine numbers in their evaluations.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of people on here will be more willing to jump on the Cox train when they see that not only is he unanimously the #1 DT in the draft, but also the #6 player overall, regardless of the fact that there is a lot of unreliable opinions in the media. I mean, people who wanted DT were shouting for Poe just a week ago. Get ready to see more Cox on the Huddle after this.

I will refrain from using the phrase Cox train again. I apologize.

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I have been on the Cox bandwagon since a week before the combine. Glad other scouts are starting to take notice. I could never form an opinion on Poe because his game tape is nonexistant on youtube.

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It doesn't matter what the talking heads think about a player. And because a guy moves up on Mayock's board or Kiper's board has nothing to do with how the team's scouts and GMs see him. How many people rated Newton the best QB in the draft?? Did Hurney and Rivera care?? Do you think what they say about Cox matters either?? NFL teams do a lot more work than any draftnik does finding out about the players they are interested in. There jobs depend on it. Guys like Kiper will be here next year whether they are right or wrong on all their picks this year. GMs may not have the same luxury.

If the Panthers pick Cox it won't have anything to do with the facts the draftniks like him or not.

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I am glad my OP brought some great thoughts and responds.... It is one of the main reasons why one would post their thoughts.

Hope we get Fletcher with our #9. If not, Brockers in a trade down with an extra second round OLB like David or Brown.

By far, this will be a great draft with a chance to be SPECIAL...

I have not been proud of our team since the Arizona game. Panther Pride is back!!!!

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Jesus p55 I am not naive enough to think that hurney will be influenced by a scouting board on Espn. ( not done by a a draftnik btw). O just saw it as relevant to this page and thought someone would be interested. It obviously wasn't u so u can move your pompous attitude right along. Its the off-season. Anything we can find to talk about on here is posted. Its not all serious

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Jesus p55 I am not naive enough to think that hurney will be influenced by a scouting board on Espn. ( not done by a a draftnik btw). O just saw it as relevant to this page and thought someone would be interested. It obviously wasn't u so u can move your pompous attitude right along. Its the off-season. Anything we can find to talk about on here is posted. Its not all serious

Seems to me that bringing up a scouting board as evidence that if we draft a DT it will be Cox implies that our FO opinion will be in line with this analysis. Either you must think that either Hurney agrees with this analysis or that this analysis represents the majority opinion of most scouts. I am just pointing out that this analysis is just one guys opinion and that Hurney likely didn't even read it let alone give it any credence. If you know that this analysis is irrelevant to our FO opinion then why post it as evidence that if we pick a DT it will be Cox then.

And if it isn't all that serious then why are you overreacting like you are butt hurt??

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