Frank Alexander/Thomas Keiser > Greg Hardy

[BeasonBeastingBacks]

Yeah, he has comparable hurries.....yet not even in the ballpark of those guys when it comes to making the play.

A hurry can be a TD for the opponent. That stat doesn't wow like some.

Youre right, Hardy isn't like those guys, mainly because he's still developing as a player. But damn its hard for me to not be impressed by something like that when he's going into his fourth year and the rest of those guys are seasoned vets. And good job implying that Hardy doing his job lets the other team score, thats on the DBs, not him

[Herbert The Love Bug]

we should try trading hardy for a draft pick. We have enough DEs between Alexander/Keiser/Applewhite. Let those 3 get the majority of the reps this season and if none of them flash then consider trading for a proven DE. Maybe one of those dudes from the Giants. Or draft a good college DE.

[CRA]

Youre right, Hardy isn't like those guys, mainly because he's still developing as a player. But damn its hard for me to not be impressed by something like that when he's going into his fourth year and the rest of those guys are seasoned vets. And good job implying that Hardy doing his job lets the other team score, thats on the DBs, not him

Not implying he let's them score.....just that hurries don't carry the same weight as other stats.

[beastson]

It does atleast look like Hardy bulking up improved the run

[Actionman0z]

Anyone who thinks that because Keiser got 3.5 sacks in garbage time of preseason games, that hes better than Hardy is an idiot.

[CRA]

Anyone who thinks that because Keiser got 3.5 sacks in garbage time of preseason games, that hes better than Hardy is an idiot.

What about those that acknowledge he matched his sack production in real games in 2011 in a fraction of snaps?

[Actionman0z]

What about those that acknowledge he matched his sack production in real games in 2011 in a fraction of snaps?

For sure. But at the same time, he is nowhere near where Hardy is.

[Actionman0z]

What about those that acknowledge he matched his sack production in real games in 2011 in a fraction of snaps?

The only problem is, nobody has seen every snap, every pass vs. every run, counted double teams, chips etc. so to say, based on sack ratio that Keiser is better is silly. Thats all.

[Guest Bwood]

For sure. But at the same time, he is nowhere near where Hardy is.

Nowhere near LOL? Please tell me when Hardy has shown anything to prove he's on another level than Keiser.

[CRA]

The only problem is, nobody has seen every snap, every pass vs. every run, counted double teams, chips etc. so to say, based on sack ratio that Keiser is better is silly. Thats all.

Without going back and watching...I think it is safe to say neither Hardy or Kieser saw many double teams.

Also safe to say Kieser saw a fraction of the passing down snaps Hardy did...

[koolkatluke]

Hardy is still better then Kieser and Alexander. He will have a breakout season this year and this thread will look real stupid.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

Hardy is still better then Kieser and Alexander. He will have a breakout season this year and this thread will look real stupid.

...or just this post will

[koolkatluke]

...or just this post will

We will see smartass. Just in case stick around so when it happens. I can talk to you about it.

[Ivan The Awesome]

So....Andre Carter is still available..