Williams flat out doesn't fit

[rayzor]

nobody else is running their QB like an RB. we shouldn't be doing it.

that's right, isn't it?

[CRA]

Until you find out they are having a great party and that is why they are running and screaming and having fun. You on the other hand would continue to tell everyone that the building has to be on fire because in other places in the past when people ran out of a building screaming it was because of a fire. And we all know that if other people do things then we should be doing the same thing.

Like I said, it is a dang good indication....

If Marty made a batch of mysterious Kool Aid....you would be one of the followers telling everyone to drink up. It must be a good idea if it comes from our leader...drink up everyone....never question Jim Jones.

You are doing the same thing as when Jake got his silly extension and was imploding our team. Backed up Fox that clearly Jake gave us the best chance to win.....bc that is what the team was doing and they have to be right? Right?

.....no need to spin that about signing rookies. A good front office isnt forced into a huge and dumb extension for a QB clearly done....simply to sign a couple rookies if f they are making the right moves.

[CRA]

nobody else is running their QB like an RB. we shouldn't be doing it.

that's right, isn't it?

Cam plays every offense snap....and his play has proven time and time again that his running flat out works.

Trying to compare the RB situation elsewhere....is a very shaky way to argue IMO.

Cam is just another reason why over investing was silly. We drafted part QB....part RB in Cam. So again, that limits already a limited number of rushing attempts. Then after running RBs at a franchise low we added Tolbert.

There aren't touches to justify the investment at RB. Investment is clapping on the sidelines.

[rayzor]

but no one else is doing it. that means it can't work.

[CRA]

but no one else is doing it. that means it can't work.

Other teams ARE doing that....

How many teams ran a read option last year and have this year. Saints* just lost to one.

See there are other examples of that....not of the RB scenario

[iamhubby1]

Cam plays every offense snap....and his play has proven time and time again that his running flat out works.

Trying to compare the RB situation elsewhere....is a very shaky way to argue IMO.

Cam is just another reason why over investing was silly. We drafted part QB....part RB in Cam. So again, that limits already a limited number of rushing attempts. Then after running RBs at a franchise low we added Tolbert.

There aren't touches to justify the investment at RB. Investment is clapping on the sidelines.

We have invested in 53 guys. On every play there are 42 clapping on the sidelines.

[MaineManPanther]

Other teams ARE doing that....

How many teams ran a read option last year and have this year. Saints** just lost to one.

See there are other examples of that....not of the RB scenario

If the Redskins and whoever else stopped, would it suddenley be wrong to use the read option? Of course not. But in your argument it would be.

[CRA]

If the Redskins and whoever else stopped, would it suddenley be wrong to use the read option? Of course not. But in your argument it would be.

If we were the only team doing it.....then we better have the production to justify why.

[MaineManPanther]

If we were the only team doing it.....then we better have the production to justify why.

Exactly. The fact that we'd be the only ones did not automatically make it wrong. The same can be applied to our RB personnel. Others team choosing not to go that way, does not make it any less wrong or right. It about what comes out of it.

[CRA]

Exactly. The fact that we'd be the only ones did not automatically make it wrong. The same can be applied to our RB personnel. Others team choosing not to go that way, does not make it any less wrong or right. It about what comes out of it.

Yeah, year one....was last year.

Franchise low in rush attempts by Carolina RBs. I said I would have been fine with it if Fox was here.....drafting of Cam and bringing in Chud changed that

[MaineManPanther]

Yeah, year one....was last year.

Franchise low in rush attempts by Carolina RBs. I said I would have been fine with it if Fox was here.....drafting of Cam and bringing in Chud changed that

Also highest combined snaps played in any year since double trouble's inception. Wether or not it came from rushing doesn't matter to me as long as there frequently being used is some dimension of this

offence. We are using them more often then Fox ever did.

Wether is was a smart move or not, saying it wasn't because totally different teams had more snaps in the rushing department, doesn't mean anything. Its about what ever works.

Per Football Outsiders we had the most efficient rushing attack ever, atleast since they've been collecting data.

Though my only point in this specific thread was agianst the previous type of argument that you were making.

[CRA]

Also highest combined snaps played in any year since double trouble's inception. Wether or not it came from rushing doesn't matter to me as long as there frequently being used is some dimension of this

offence. We are using them more often then Fox ever did.

Wether is was a smart move or not, saying it wasn't because totally different teams had more snaps in the rushing department, doesn't mean anything. Its about what ever works.

Per Football Outsiders we had the most efficient rushing attack ever, atleast since they've been collecting data.

Though my only point in this specific thread was agianst the previous type of argument that you were making.

Cam Newton was the most efficient rusher last year out of any runner in Carolina....

Cam is another reason why that investment was silly. Cam plus half Double Trouble easily can be the best ground attack in the NFL....

I didn't say what others do is the end all be all....just if you are going to go down a unique path you need to make sure the payoff isn't in doubt. I think it at this stage is clearly in doubt

[MaineManPanther]

Just because something isn't a necessity, doesn't mean it's silly. Willaims is a talent that is not easily replaced. Yes we can still be very potent, but Williams just makes it that much better. And even harder to defend. Another dimension to this offence.

As for payoff that can be said for any path. Even if we were utterly typical, why would you not have the same demand for payoff? What does unique have to do with it?

The RB signings is making our offence better. The signings are not going to prevent us from resigning any of our players. Offensively

( assuming health) with the exception of perhaps Guard, we don't need anybody else soon.

The only way I see this move hurting us is if we have a huge talent hole at a defensive position , that we can not fill with the draft or some decent player. But this is a specific scenario, and one we not know till the end of the season.

Because of this I just don't see how this move , at this point in time can viewed as a definite negative

[Icege]

Every time I see this thread bumped (like I'm doing now), I vomit a little in my mouth.