So....here are my thoughts

[YoureWelcome]

nvm

[iamhubby1]

nvm

Okey dokey

[rayzor]

lol

[AceMan]

Every negative you can bring up. I can bring up something positive. Here I'll go first.

We not only have a Franchise QB. We have a prototype for the future.

We don't need to have a debate. The fact that we're 1-4 now and have been 1-4 for the past four seasons in addition to having a losing record each year those past four years is enough.

is the "blatant blind optimist" hurting anyone or forcing their optimism on anyone? are they toting themselves as being better fans than others?

It is irritating to see

Just like when someone overreacts and posts a thread stating we should replace Cam

I don't mind fans trying to be optimistic, but the blind optimism should have stopped with Jake Delhomme back in 2008-2009. So just like posters who are lampooned if they feel like they are fed up with Steve Smith's attitude or want to reiterate for the 12th time that they feel Hurney should be fired, I will call out claims I feel are outrageous from time to time.

My input

We can try to spin our record however we want, but the fact remains is that we're 1-4. Not one play away from [insert this record], but 1-4.

Our next four games coming out of the bye week will be against

Cowgirls(2-2)

Bears(4-1)

Redskins(2-3)

Broncos(2-3)

There is a good chance the Cowgirls will lose to the Ravens, Redskins will lose to Vikings, and the Broncos will lose to the Chargers tomorrow. Best case scenario, I feel like we can win the next 3 out of 4 games while these teams are reeling themselves..maybe gain some momentum. But, I just have a sinking feeling that Dallas's defense will frustrate us and their offense will do enough to win via Seattle..and then the Bears game will be ugly...

We'll see what happens

[Guest Tom Cat]

is the "blatant blind optimist" hurting anyone or forcing their optimism on anyone? are they toting themselves as being better fans than others?

i think that's all in people's heads.

let people be blind homers. what does it hurt? it can't be any more annoying than those who claim to be fans but hate everything about the team and take every opportunity to express their loathing and disdain for the organization.

given a choice between the blind homer and the blind hater...i'm going to prefer the blind homers. i just can't stand negative creeps.

i think most fall in between somewhere, but there's an awful lot of assuming about what either extreme is thinking. people assume that homers are trying to tell others how to be good fans, but then they turn right around and tell the homers to get more realistic or whatever and that at some point they are going to have to come to grips with what is going on but in doing that they are becoming the most hypocritical people in the forum.

it just bugs me that there is a total lack of respect for people who have a different mindset and it has to be reduced to name-calling and belittling. if someone is more optimistic than you, so what? what's it to you? same with those who aren't as optimistic. is it a crime to be upset at how bad the team has been for several years?

I wish there was still negative rep to spread - Im tired of this guy. He obviously feels and attempts to turn anyone who sees this team through non rose colered glasses into a bad person . He makes constant excuses for the sorry state of the Carolina Panthers, and attempts to turn those blind fools who refuse to accept facts into martyrs of some sort. I got to wonder who is signing his paychecks.

[Guest Tom Cat]

Every negative you can bring up. I can bring up something positive. Here I'll go first.

We not only have a Franchise QB. We have a prototype for the future.

More deluded homerism - The prototype qb of the future is one who can read defenses like a kindergarden level book make adjsutments at the line of scrimmage, and throw quick short passes up the middle to constantly move the chains with an occasional dump off to a rb or long pass vertically downfield. That isnt what we have as our number 1 qb. We have a younger, larger, slower running version of M Vick.

[rayzor]

I wish there was still negative rep to spread - Im tired of this guy. He obviously feels and attempts to turn anyone who sees this team through non rose colered glasses into a bad person . He makes constant excuses for the sorry state of the Carolina Panthers, and attempts to turn those blind fools who refuse to accept facts into martyrs of some sort. I got to wonder who is signing his paychecks.

pretty sure that you didn't read what i posted because i wasn't saying anything like that.

keep on hating, tho. i'm sure i'd be devastated by your neg rep. it's a shame you don't have that "power". lol

i could care less how you or anyone view the team. if you're tired of me, put me on ignore. it's just that simple.

lol..."he says good things about the team and he seems like a positive guy. it's obvious he's trying to convert me and he's got to be on the payroll." too funny.

[rayzor]

It is irritating to see

Just like when someone overreacts and posts a thread stating we should replace Cam

I don't mind fans trying to be optimistic, but the blind optimism should have stopped with Jake Delhomme back in 2008-2009. So just like posters who are lampooned if they feel like they are fed up with Steve Smith's attitude or want to reiterate for the 12th time that they feel Hurney should be fired, I will call out claims I feel are outrageous from time to time.

gotcha. just seems people (including myself) take this stuff too seriously, esp. when it comes to throwing around insults at each other because they don't view things the way that i do or whatever.

i get just as irritated, but i get more irritated at myself for getting irritated at anything that goes on in here because it's just not that important. i do find it funny, tho, that people would get pissy about people being too positive and optimistic (not talking about you, btw). it almost wants me to act more like the blind homer i get accused of being just to see how much they'll bitch about it and even use me as the poster boy for homers or something. they sure wouldn't have said that a couple years ago when i was bitching about fox and jake and deshaun foster and hurney and even kasay.

anyway...i understand.

My input

We can try to spin our record however we want, but the fact remains is that we're 1-4. Not one play away from [insert this record], but 1-4.

Our next four games coming out of the bye week will be against

Cowgirls(2-2)

Bears(4-1)

Redskins(2-3)

Broncos(2-3)

There is a good chance the Cowgirls will lose to the Ravens, Redskins will lose to Vikings, and the Broncos will lose to the Chargers tomorrow. Best case scenario, I feel like we can win the next 3 out of 4 games while these teams are reeling themselves..maybe gain some momentum. But, I just have a sinking feeling that Dallas's defense will frustrate us and their offense will do enough to win via Seattle..and then the Bears game will be ugly...

We'll see what happens

agreed with all that. whatever it was that cost this team games, the result still stays the same...1-4. i think too much hinges on that dallas game. it shouldn't, but it does. i can see the morale of this team tanking if they don't come firing on all cylinders and just coasting thru the rest of the season.

[Dont Check My Chicken]

First you defend the coaching by saying how your aren't sure how "coaching is to blame". Then, you highlight Riveria's inexperience, Chud insistence on running the option and a "better coaching strategy on both sides of the ball". YES, our GM is the worst in the NFL, but the coaching IS to blame. McDumbass refused to adjust the defense during the Giants game, Chud refuses to adjust his schemes as well and Rivera is the man in charge of fixing these issues as well as the person responsible for making questionable game management decisions. I could list many more examples but the bottom line is... Marty is horrible and coaching is our biggest problem!

[ladypanther]

More deluded homerism - The prototype qb of the future is one who can read defenses like a kindergarden level book make adjsutments at the line of scrimmage, and throw quick short passes up the middle to constantly move the chains with an occasional dump off to a rb or long pass vertically downfield. That isnt what we have as our number 1 qb. We have a younger, larger, slower running version of M Vick.

Got to disagree with this. From what I can tell, Cam has a much better work ethic than Vick. Cam is still a young QB. Our "pro ready" QB was Clausen. Cam has had a huge learning curve, and I think has done pretty well. I do believe he will get better and better.

[iamhubby1]

Got to disagree with this. From what I can tell, Cam has a much better work ethic than Vick. Cam is still a young QB. Our "pro ready" QB was Clausen. Cam has had a huge learning curve, and I think has done pretty well. I do believe he will get better and better.

But... the realists are saying the opposite. That Cam has already hit his ceiling. He is never going to get better. It is all his fault. Well, him and Hurney, Chud, Rivera, McD, the water boy. Anyone connected with the Panthers is in need of firing.

It is so bad that any sign of optimism is viewed as just plain ol stupid. Personally, I love it. But then again, after 20+ years of marriage, this board is just so much fluff. Funny to be sure, but nothing to get worked up over.

Some of us are still excited about this team. And no one will dent that enthusiasm. Even the haterz with there the sky has already fallen drivel.

If we beat the cowgirls, some will still find numerous griping points. Nothing will make them happy. Sad. To me, the winning will start soon. I am not going to stop thinking this. Well... almost nothing will dampen my giddy. Losing Cam would give me pause, but short of that, my expectations are still through the roof.

[raleigh-panther]

It really does not matter what people say. It matters what Cam does on the field.

All QBs face adversity, every last one of them, even eventually great ones, Unitas was cut at the beginning of his career and let go at the end, Young, Montana, and Farve. McNabb in his prime in Philly, booed all the time.

Press was pretty brutal to Bradsaw in his day and Eli Manning in his.

it really is up to Newton how he responds and it's up to the coaches to put him in the best position to execute and he must execute.

It's up to Newton as he plays the game and the press writes about the game and we read about it. The later two opinions don't matter.

[Dilated_chakra]

To start....for you non readers, who like to write tldr....just skip to the last 2 paragraphs. I don't understand why some like to insult thoughtful posters who have a lot to say with that remark.

I have not posted in a few days. (I am sure you have missed me. :) ) 2 reasons: Sometimes, when things are painful...I need some time. Also...I needed to gather my thoughts and figure out where I am with all this. A guy at work always talks Panthers with me. When he came in Monday and looked at me...I said...."I don't want to talk about it." A few minutes later he started to talk about the Panthers...I stopped him. He asked when we could talk about it. I told him I did not know.

They can tackle but they think if they use their shoulder they can spear the ball loose or just destroy the ball carrier. They are trying to make a big play and end up looking stupid

Do not think it was because I do not care. It is because I care too much. I know that does not separate me from most of you...especially PSL owners. I would be one of you if I could....and still hope to be.

Some random thoughts:

Panthers are 1-4. With the elimination of just a few mistakes....they could be 4-1.

Coaching is the popular blame. Not sure how coaching is blamed for dropped passes, some of the fumbles, poor tackling, and a QB skipping a pass to an open receiver in the endzone?

Regarding poor tackling ( and the general poor fundamentals). How do players get to the NFL and not know how to tackle???? I mean they were the best of the high school players, the best of the college players, and the few who made it to the NFL? I do not understand why an NFL coach has to teach defenders how to tackle? I understand the game is different, bigger, stronger, faster....but what did these guys do in practice? And we are not talking about all rookies.

That being said, except for the Giants game...the D has not been that bad.

I agree to those who have questioned some of Chud's calls. He has gotten too cute and out-thought himself. This team should have an identity...and it should be running the damn ball...and a QB who can punish you when you focus on stopping that. I think Chud thought he be could be a genius with his boy toy Cam. He focused on candy when he had in fact had the ingredients for health.

So then, that leads us to Rivera and Hurney. Thought the interview by Sorenson was interesting Hurney does not want to be seen in public. He said not because of negative comments, said fans were nice (not sure about that) but basically...and I am paraphrasing and taking a leap... because he was ashamed. So, got to wonder what Hurney is saying to Rivera these days. There has be a lot of pressure on Hurney...Richardson wants a SB win, with his health/heart issues...there must be pressure to get this done........ soon.

So Rivera. Initially....liked what he had to say...and his attitude. Yet he has made some new coach mistakes. So...ok for a new guy who has never been a HC. But I expect the learning curve to accelerate What I hate the most recently from Rivera is "this team is learning how to win." (Of course also not thrilled with the record this season. ) These players are professionals...there are a lot of vets. I do not have a tolerance for this learning curve. Last year, maybe. I guess the good side is Rivera does not publicly throw players under the bus. For the record...his stoic appearance is not an issue for me. Results are.

So, where am I today....10-11-12. The team had a 10 day break between the Giants and the Falcons. There was improvement, but a disappointing loss. This bye week, Rivera said they were first going to review the first 5 games. His ability to assess the Panthers performance in these games and make adjustments is crucial. Perhaps Rivera has given too much trust in his coordinators. If that is true...now is the time to correct. I did read that Rivera said that sometimes Cam was waiting for the long ball to open up when he should have thrown short. [should have been dealt with in coaching before this.] We all know that. Rivera's abilities as an evaluator and then a leader are on the radar. I feel for him, because there are some individual mistakes that may have cost games, that I cannot attribute to coaching mistakes. But, he is the man. And, with a better coaching strategy on both sides of the ball, this team would not be 1-4.

I believe the Cowboys game will tell us a lot about Rivera. So, for me, there is 1 more game. I am hoping for a great game...for the players, Rivera, Richardson, and all of us.

[nobody]

I am not on the anti cam bandwagon (I am on the gm and hc one at this point). The fact is our plays are taking to long to pan out and cam is getting pressured because of it. Lets get the play calling fixed and then we can work on the players.