Pete Carroll and Mike Shanahan.

[PantherTrain84]

Seahawks- 2010 season; 7-9. 2011 Season; 7-9. 2012; 9-5.

Redskins- 2010 Season; 6-10. 2011 Season; 5-11. 2012 Season; 8-6

I bet fans said the exact same thing about these 2 HCs deserving to be fired after their mediocre 2nd seasons, and now look at them. If we win out and go 7-9, that will be good enough improvement to warrant another year. Lets remember that Rivera inherited a 2-14 team with Jimmy freaking Clausen.

[Zithers]

uhhhh seattle had old ass matt hasselbeck and tavaris jackson... then in year 3, russell wilson!

washington had mcnabb/grossman and beck/grossman... then in year 3, robert griffin iii!

we've had cam newton this whole time.

[Dpantherman]

Both of those guys are also VPs within the organization and have NFL head coaching experience.

[Fox007]

Seahawks- 2010 season; 7-9. 2011 Season; 7-9. 2012; 9-5.

Redskins- 2010 Season; 6-10. 2011 Season; 5-11. 2012 Season; 8-6

I bet fans said the exact same thing about these 2 HCs deserving to be fired after their mediocre 2nd seasons, and now look at them. If we win out and go 7-9, that will be good enough improvement to warrant another year. Lets remember that Rivera inherited a 2-14 team with Jimmy freaking Clausen.

According to many on this board we are just overflowing with talent.

So which is it? Is Rivera a terrible coach, or do we not have as much talent as people keep saying?

[TheRed]

We string two wins together for the first time in a whole year and suddenly Rivera is a legend.

Just stop already. Let's atleast see how we play our final two games before we go full retard.

[Anybodyhome]

We string two wins together for the first time in a whole year and suddenly Rivera is a legend.

Just stop already. Let's atleast see how we play our final two games before we go full retard.

I totally agree with the first sentence- the genius of Bill Walsh now lives in Ron Rivera.... puh-leeze.

With respect to "full retard"... I'm thinking we're already there based upon way too many threads about this in the last 24 hours...

[carolina-chuck]

Seattle made the Playoffs in Carroll's first season

[carolina-chuck]

I guess Rivera all of a sudden became a King of Charlotte after wins of the Eagles and SD.

[Salvo]

Even a Rivera led team could have made the playoffs in the NFC West that year.

[TheRed]

Seattle made the Playoffs in Carroll's first season

With a fugging 7-9 record. That division was god awful, Rivera could have made the playoffs in that situation.

[KJ89]

We string two wins together for the first time in a whole year and suddenly Rivera is a legend.

Just stop already. Let's atleast see how we play our final two games before we go full retard.

This. (sorta)

I'm ridiculously torn between keepin or firing rivera. He is by no means whatsoever a legend. He's still rather awful. But part of me thinks he could do good with *one* more year.

Then again, I'd rather have a new coach.

But I don't want a coach that's equally bad or worse....

For me it just depends on who we'd get as a replacement.

I don't think anyone's saying he's a great coach. Just that he could do well from a third year.

I agreed with the quoted post because of the people who say he "deserves" a third year.

He doesn't.

But the players love him, and I feel like we could do worse then give him a third year. As long as we're not giving up a better coach by doing so.

[carolina-chuck]

With a fugging 7-9 record. That division was god awful, Rivera could have made the playoffs in that situation.

Still he made the playoffs. Im sure their fans werent calling for his head.

[Khaki Lackey]

I had forgotten that Rivera accomplished his 11 wins with Clausen at the helm. He looks bigger and African-Americanier on television.

[TheRed]

Still he made the playoffs. Im sure their fans werent calling for his head.

Not seeing the similarity. Rivera's football team is not going to the playoffs for the second season in a row.