Is there an agenda behind the anti dual threat, hybrid or read option QBs

[Guest BlueBoy]

What team your of fan of has no bearing on wether the health argument can be used or not. It's still a legitimate point regardless of your affiliation. I'm sure out of millions there are those use it as a cover to hide there overall disdain.

But there are plenty who bring it up just as a pure point to make.

I absolutely agree with your point. And when you point them out by 'guessing' their thought they're surprised and utter the race card rebuff.

Kurt warner said it best and I thought it was noble of him to have said it. He mentioned how he was never fast or strong and the only way he could get on the football field is by playing QB. Nothing wrong with that. But trying to deter athletic guys from playing QB is not the way to go. There is room for everyone. Of course it would be nice for all the 32 teams to have non-mobile pocket passers guaranteeing them the superbowl every year but in a league made of very strong and athletic people that wasn't gonna last forever.

Reserving a roster spot in the NFL for non-athletic players is just ridiculous to me.

[BigSyke]

oh yeah if big ben(who can run decent) and cutler ran more that would cut down on there injuries lol they would just get hit MORE. lol

i guess since you can still get hit by a car on the sidewalk you should just walk on highway carefree. lol

if you can outrun a bullet you dont think the shooter is going to send more.....oh you going to out run every bullet lol even mike vick couldnt do that and hes the best just watch that eagles come back on the giants a few years back.

for the most part running is going to help extend plays or gain a few yards when a play break down.

yeah rg3 got in the playoffs to lose because he couldnt play well enough to win. all those hits while running aint worth it buddy. he was clearly hurt and should have had a coupe ints.

cam almost got injured bad in the pocket at the saints game.....and if he runs thats just going to increase his chances of getting hurt even more. you already going to take alot of shots in the pocket anyways.

and yeah pocket qbs get hurt but thats the oline fault...they are not bringing ill will to themselves.

[BigSyke]

oh yeah if big ben(who can run decent) and cutler ran more that would cut down on there injuries lol they would just get hit MORE. lol

i guess since you can still get hit by a car on the sidewalk you should just walk on highway carefree. lol

if you can outrun a bullet you dont think the shooter is going to send more.....oh you going to out run every bullet lol even mike vick couldnt do that and hes the best just watch that eagles come back on the giants a few years back.

for the most part running is going to help extend plays or gain a few yards when a play break down.

yeah rg3 got in the playoffs to lose because he couldnt play well enough to win. all those hits while running aint worth it buddy. he was clearly hurt and should have had a coupe ints.

cam almost got injured bad in the pocket at the saints game.....and if he runs thats just going to increase his chances of getting hurt even more. you already going to take alot of shots in the pocket anyways.

and yeah pocket qbs get hurt but thats the oline fault...they are not bringing ill will to themselves.

[Guest BlueBoy]

oh yeah if big ben(who can run decent) and cutler ran more that would cut down on there injuries lol they would just get hit MORE. lol

i guess since you can still get hit by a car on the sidewalk you should just walk on highway carefree. lol

if you can outrun a bullet you dont think the shooter is going to send more.....oh you going to out run every bullet lol even mike vick couldnt do that and hes the best just watch that eagles come back on the giants a few years back.

for the most part running is going to help extend plays or gain a few yards when a play break down.

yeah rg3 got in the playoffs to lose because he couldnt play well enough to win. all those hits while running aint worth it buddy. he was clearly hurt and should have had a coupe ints.

cam almost got injured bad in the pocket at the saints game.....and if he runs thats just going to increase his chances of getting hurt even more. you already going to take alot of shots in the pocket anyways.

and yeah pocket qbs get hurt but thats the oline fault...they are not bringing ill will to themselves.

And then again, you're a concerned fan of a team with an athletic QB. Nothing wrong with that and we can debate about his safety forever. But some people just don't like the 'new' QBs coming to the NFL. Those are the people I have a gripe against. If you don't like those 'new' QBs, you shouldn't like those 'old' WRs, CBs, RBs, TEs, DEs, etc. either. You can't hate those 'new' QBs but want your team to trade for Revis, per se, to help your pocket passer QB win games. That's too hypocritical, pathetic and I recommend hockey for their disease.

To diminish your concern, I don't know a dual threat QB whose career ever ended early do to injury. MacNabb had a long career. Only his mediocrity kept him off the field. Even vick's downfall was due to bad OL rather than downfiled injury.

[Matthias]

Cam is not as accurate as he could be but he sure as hell more accurate than that Luck guy people proclaim as the GOAT. Since Luck is such a 'pocket passer' and Cam is not(?), that means all Luck has to worry about is completing a pass and he can barely do that. What does that say about Luck's skill set. At least Cam will also rack up 750 yards.

Although Cam is not a gifted passer like a few other NFL QBs are, for everything else he brings to the table he doesn't need to be. But Luck on the other hand is also not a gifted passer, and if you're not and don't bring anything else to the table why are you being proclaimed to be the GOAT without merit.

And to answer your question, a dynamic dual threat QB who will not leave his teammates hanging on 4th & 4 when the lane is wide open in an AFC championship game.

Wait a minute, Cam can be very accurate. We've seen him do this multiple times. I just hope/wish he wants to be better in that area. Particularly throwing with anticipation.

[Mr. Scot]

There's no agenda against dual threat quarterbacks. The whole notion is silly.

The perception comes from the fact that some guys who are expected to be dual threats actually aren't.

Doesn't matter how good a runner you are. If you cannot become a consistent passer, you will not succeed in this league. That was true long before the rule changes made passing even more important than it had previously been. But in the aftermath of those changes, it's even more so.

If you can run and pass, teams will covet you.

If you can pass but can't run, teams will still want you and you can win Super Bowls.

If you can run but can't pass, teams will replace you.

And lemme tell you, that's not going to change.

Bottom Line: Newton is a guy that can do both, but he's rare. There aren't that many like him out there (if any). But even Newton's success is going to happen or not happen based on how good a passer he is. If he never ran the ball again, he could still win as long as his passing skills continue to develop.

That's just reality.

[BigSyke]

And then again, you're a concerned fan of a team with an athletic QB. Nothing wrong with that and we can debate about his safety forever. But some people just don't like the 'new' QBs coming to the NFL. Those are the people I have a gripe against. If you don't like those 'new' QBs, you shouldn't like those 'old' WRs, CBs, RBs, TEs, DEs, etc. either. You can't hate those 'new' QBs but want your team to trade for Revis, per se, to help your pocket passer QB win games. That's too hypocritical, pathetic and I recommend hockey for their disease.

To diminish your concern, I don't know a dual threat QB whose career ever ended early do to injury. MacNabb had a long career. Only his mediocrity kept him off the field. Even vick's downfall was due to bad OL rather than downfiled injury.

i know because they got smart and stopped running. remember that high powered offense(scored the most points ever, patriots passed them in 2007) the vikings had in 1998. randall cunningham led that team to the nfc championship and should have won if randy would have caught that deep ball. who would have known that randall could be that good at passing no one because most times he was running. when he stopped running he became a superbowl worthy qb. he had 34 passing tds to only 1 rushing td. that was his best year. same thing happen with mcnabb when he went to the superbowl. both qbs had superbowl years when they ran for the least yards in there careers.

hey maybe newton can be that special guy who has 38passing tds with about 16 rushing tds and win it all....i actually think he can do it...but i think he will end up getting hurt before he could do it. but he is big and durable so who knows man......

[GSO_Pantherz]

Lol someone got butt hurt over what I said. U mad bro?

[tiger7_88]

Understand this, I have no qualm against those who believes Cam should stay in the pocket more to avoid getting hit. But my concern is fans of teams whose QB is not dual threat that goes out of their ways to express their dislikes of that style of QBs and play. If your QB is Cam, Wilson, RG3, Kaepernick, Vick, etc. I understand your fear, but if Luck, Payton, Brady are your QB what is it to you that other QBs can run. Shouldn't it be a good thing that the opposition is injury prone if you're a Luck fan, per se?

I've been reading a lot where people keep saying when Randall Cunningham came out people thought he'd revolutionize the sport and how that never happened. Also emphasizing how those new hybrid QBs are a fad and they'll disappear as soon as one gets injured. My problem is, what is it to them? Why would it be a 'happy' thing for those hybrid QBs to just go away?

It's like saying you like women but don't like them tall and attractive. Which is okay, but why are you mad that other people like tall and attractive women? Why so bitter to the point of wanting them all disappear?

The NFL as an organization from the front office to the team offices to the coaches to the players to the fans are the most conservative areas of football known to man.

Innovation in football starts from the lower levels (college, sometimes even high school) and works its way UP the chain with the heaviest resistance to that innovation coming from the NFL.

Its just a fact of football life.

[rayzor]

[Miaoww]

Out of interest why has Luck been lumped as an unathletic 'pocket passer'?

Is it because he's white? Check out his Combine numbers then shut the fug up.

[Doc Holiday]

Unless the college and high school games completely revert back to 80's style offenses, the hybrid/dual thread QB is here to stay.

You can either figure out a way to make that an advantage for your team, or you can hold onto antiquated beliefs and try to find a traditional QB in the ever diminishing pool of those type of QBs.

Every year, college QBs that play in pro style offense are overrated and guys that come from these innovative offenses are penalized. Yet year after year those pro style QBs bust and the hybrid QBs are starting to flourish.

i fully agree with your first two paragraphs but that last one your ingoring history on, dual threat QBs including micheal Vick have been for the most part complete busts until now its the reason why people are saying dual threat QBs won't work without an improved passing game, NFL defenses are just too good for any QB to think they can just run on them, it's a major injury waiting to happen like Vick, Culpepper and now RG3 you have to have a passing game to excel in the NFL

[FootballMaestro]

i fully agree with your first two paragraphs but that last one your ingoring history on, dual threat QBs including micheal Vick have been for the most part complete busts until now its the reason why people are saying dual threat QBs won't work without an improved passing game, NFL defenses are just too good for any QB to think they can just run on them, it's a major injury waiting to happen like Vick, Culpepper and now RG3 you have to have a passing game to excel in the NFL

I don't want to speak for someone else. But I think when Teeray said "innovative offenses", he just wasn't speaking about the Option or Option QB's who could run.

He was probably also speaking about many of the spread (and you can throw in Kelly's hurry up) offenses and their concepts, that even QB's like Brady and Peyton Manning, along with coaches as Belechick are using now. The spread started in the college ranks as well, and New England has adapted elements of Kelly's innovative hurry up offense.

[Guest BlueBoy]

i know because they got smart and stopped running. remember that high powered offense(scored the most points ever, patriots passed them in 2007) the vikings had in 1998. randall cunningham led that team to the nfc championship and should have won if randy would have caught that deep ball. who would have known that randall could be that good at passing no one because most times he was running. when he stopped running he became a superbowl worthy qb. he had 34 passing tds to only 1 rushing td. that was his best year. same thing happen with mcnabb when he went to the superbowl. both qbs had superbowl years when they ran for the least yards in there careers.

hey maybe newton can be that special guy who has 38passing tds with about 16 rushing tds and win it all....i actually think he can do it...but i think he will end up getting hurt before he could do it. but he is big and durable so who knows man......

Cam just played 2 complete seasons with no injuries. The years he is working with the least talent and had to run more. With a good draft this year we might see a 9ers' type offense where he runs only when there is nothing down field and lane wide open. Hopefully the OL can be consistent because we got manhandled by the Broncos' defense while they got manhandled by the Ravens OL in the playoffs. I got jealous watching the Ravens OL operate. I have this feeling in the next 2 years, starting next year, we'll be a major force in the playoffs.