Rivera talks minority hiring and Cam Newton (Florio criticizes)

[Lumps]

Lol BB

How does making a rule enforcing race to be a factor help make race not a factor?

Cam's race...don't really care about, don't care about arguments about it either. Doesn't matter to me enough.

The rooney rule and afirmative action = a joke and counter productive IME. Not because racism doesn't exist, or that it needs a solution but because fighting racism with racism is just going to stir more hate and does not contribute to giving the most qualified person the job.

The problem is you cannot force people who are already racist to change. If people are racist and have racist agendas, a law or rule is not going to stop them. Educating future generations is the goal and solution, poeple don't like that thought because it isn't an instant solution like a law or rule 'is'. You cannot fight racism with racism. Getting racism out of society IS A PROCESS. It is something to work for, strive towards not something you just 'fix' or 'force', especially in the south.

Force a racist to interview a minority and you really think they'll all of a sudden change their ways and realize their faults? Not likely. But if anything I believe these rules are just masks over a problem that simply has no short-term solution. It's a mask that says "hey look we have a rule so we can't racist/hiring certain races!" Needless to say I am AGAINST minority hiring/interviewing on the basis of being a minority.

[panthers55]

i don't think it was a consideration.

what i'm wondering is how much rivera thought it should be since he found it disheartening that no minorities were hired for HC jobs. if he thought it was a big enough deal then maybe he should have hired hue to be his OC, unless OC doesn't count. guy was certainly qualified enough.

Your point is germaine. When they looked at the staffs of teams with minority head coaaches the coordinators were overwhelmingly white. Unless gingers are a minority Rivera is following the trend with 2 white coordinators. If minorities don't hire minorities themselves then how can they bitch.

[Guest BlueBoy]

whats funny is that mr. scot started this thread without realizing what kind of racial poo thread this would turn into.

Stop pretending we're all living is this nice magical bubble universe called sports where race doesn't matter. This is no a homogeneous country. This a society where minority get screwed for the happy well-being of the majority. Pretending that's not the case is a disservice in itself. This is a world where Cam get shitted on for putting a towel on his head and great humorous articles are written about Cutler's grumpiness after showing off his teammates.

[TheRumGone]

Stop pretending we're all living is this nice magical bubble universe called sports where race doesn't matter. This is no a homogeneous country. This a society where minority get screwed for the happy well-being of the majority. Pretending that's not the case is a disservice in itself. This is a world where Cam get shitted on for putting a towel on his head and great humorous articles are written about Cutler's grumpiness after showing off his teammates.

[Guest BlueBoy]

Lol BB

How does making a rule enforcing race to be a factor help make race not a factor?

Cam's race...don't really care about, don't care about arguments about it either. Doesn't matter to me enough.

The rooney rule and afirmative action = a joke and counter productive IME. Not because racism doesn't exist, or that it needs a solution but because fighting racism with racism is just going to stir more hate and does not contribute to giving the most qualified person the job.

The problem is you cannot force people who are already racist to change. If people are racist and have racist agendas, a law or rule is not going to stop them. Educating future generations is the goal and solution, poeple don't like that thought because it isn't an instant solution like a law or rule 'is'. You cannot fight racism with racism. Getting racism out of society IS A PROCESS. It is something to work for, strive towards not something you just 'fix' or 'force', especially in the south.

Force a racist to interview a minority and you really think they'll all of a sudden change their ways and realize their faults? Not likely. But if anything I believe these rules are just masks over a problem that simply has no short-term solution. It's a mask that says "hey look we have a rule so we can't racist/hiring certain races!" Needless to say I am AGAINST minority hiring/interviewing on the basis of being a minority.

Nobody have time to wait generations. That's total crap. It all boils down to the players. They have more power than you think. The league is about 70% black. if they all start talking the league will have no option but to react. The NBA was the same way at some point until players like Barkley started talking. In the business of sports the players are the commodity. The owners don't have a physical ownership of anything but contracts of great athletes and the revenue they generate. Unhappy players, unhappy league. Though, it seams so far the players are content. All the power to them.

[Guest BlueBoy]

stood corrected. You're white and happy, why would you have time for meaningless issues like black exclusion. And of course, with more 'speed' in the backfield the panther can make the playoffs, right?

[TheRumGone]

stood corrected. You're white and happy, why would you have time for meaningless issues like black exclusion. And of course, with more 'speed' in the backfield the panther can make the playoffs, right?

You know me!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

[Lumps]

I was just laughing at your comments. Nothing Iposted was to you really.

But when you say option to react, option to react and do what exactly? What is the goal?

Because just recentley there was negeotiations between players and owners and both seemed happy at the end...what exactly are you proposing the players do with that power...in other words what are you negotiating? You want the players to own the NFL? Or you want the NFL to turn into basketball?

Nobody have time to wait generations. That's total crap.

This is why racim is slowly fading instead of quickly dying out. People like you drag it on through creating self-fufilling prophecies and devoting your energy to action instead of education and prevention. I realize my priveleges and also know if I were at the other end of this process, it's suck but its still a process and one you can help along. Did you not understand my original post? Once again, you cannnot convince most racist people they're racist or wrong. You can rarley change someone's opinion like that. And trying to by force won't do anything either and will contribute to more prophecies.

[Guest BlueBoy]

You know me!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

Pretty humorous. But I disagree with one thing in the video, the part where he says anytime in the past was always great for white people. Well, in the 200k years of human existence, for about 160k of it black people were the sole resident of this planet we call earth. The Egyptian empire(the first and oldest black civilization) ruled the for over 6K. Pretty much the invention of the gun powder and automatic weapon was the dawn of white supremacy which is barely 600 years old. But that's a different topic all together.

Yes, there was a time when Africans were the only humans on this planet. (I hope this come across as only informational.)

[TheRumGone]

Pretty humorous. But I disagree with one thing in the video, the part where he says anytime in the past was always great for white people. Well, in the 200k years of human existence, for about 160k of it black people were the sole resident of this planet we call earth. The Egyptian empire(the first and oldest black civilization) ruled the for over 6K. Pretty much the invention of the gun powder and automatic weapon was the dawn of white supremacy which is barely 600 years old. But that's a different topic all together.

Yes, there was a time when Africans were the only humans on this planet. (I hope this come across as only informational.)

I studied history for 5 years dude. I know this we all come from Africa. Take a joke and lighten up a bit. Its not as bad as you think it is. And it's not as good as some people think it is. There's shades of grey with everything. Just relax. The video is meant as comedy. Louis C.K. is a smart comic he knows this.

[Mr. Scot]

Stop pretending we're all living is this nice magical bubble universe called sports where race doesn't matter.

To a pretty significant portion of us, it actually doesn't.

[Swaggasaurus]

Look at Wilson, Kaepernick and RGIII. All not-white and loved by the media. Once Cam is in the playoffs, the media will love him too.

Black is more than a skin tone. Mr. Rodgers is blacker than those guys.....

[Mr. Scot]

whats funny is that mr. scot started this thread without realizing what kind of racial poo thread this would turn into.

The article contains no criticism of Newton whatsoever, and yet the conversation quickly becomes about defending Newton from criticism :unsure:

[Guest BlueBoy]

I was just laughing at your comments. Nothing Iposted was to you really.

But when you say option to react, option to react and do what exactly? What is the goal?

Because just recentley there was negeotiations between players and owners and both seemed happy at the end...what exactly are you proposing the players do with that power...in other words what are you negotiating? You want the players to own the NFL? Or you want the NFL to turn into basketball?

This is why racim is slowly fading instead of quickly dying out. People like you drag it on through creating self-fufilling prophecies and devoting your energy to action instead of education and prevention. I realize my priveleges and also know if I were at the other end of this process, it's suck but its still a process and one you can help along. Did you not understand my original post? Once again, you cannnot convince most racist people they're racist or wrong. You can rarley change someone's opinion like that. And trying to by force won't do anything either and will contribute to more prophecies.

Well, the reason there are black coaches in the NBA is because their superstar players speak out and have input on who they want to be coached by.

"I realize my priveleges and also know if I were at the other end of this process, it's suck but its still a process and one you can help along."?

You're such a hypocrite. I like how you're on the other side fugging others up the anus while preaching them to be patient. If you're on the other side, how would you know how I should fight my war? What experience do you have. Don't patronize me, dude! You can't be a victim too. Only I get to cry in this story. Lol