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WR Heyward-Bey & DB Huff Released By Oakland

Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)

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jungleking Newbie

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Myers is a TE, Streeter's stats were not comparable to DHB, nor would he fit our offense, nor does he have his speed...

Yes, Myers is a tight end. Doesn't change the fact that DHB was the third target in that offense, and didn't separate himself that much from the fourth guy.

41 catches on 80 targets, with a 14.8 yard average

39 catches on 73 targets, with a 15.0 yard average.

It's a difference of 4 yards per game. If that's not comparable, I don't know what is.

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MaineManPanther Newbie

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I said he can't throw downfield....he isn't that type QB. 2010 his WRs has virtually no production. It is why he was benched a year later for someone who rolled off his couch.

His WRs had 100 rec for 6 TDs.

Palmer doubled the receptions, yards and tripled the TDs by WRs...bc he can throw downfield.

It isn't about being statistically better...Campbell just isn't an attack downfield QB. He has never been able to produce that way...RB, TE has always been his crutch.

DHB is a downfield weapon...judging him without a downfield QB isn't the way. 2011-12 are more accurate portrayals of his ability

No you said he doesn't throw downfield. It's right in your post. If a player throws downfield at a high percentage, for whatever reason, that mean he does in fact throw downfield.

As far as receptions are concerned we are talking specifically about deep ball passing, the vast majority of those extra receptions occurred on short and intermediate routes and thus not what we're discussing.

The fact is despite playing over 200 less snaps then Palmer, Campbell had the same number of down the field completions at 14.

You don't judge a Qb ( or anybody really) performance on what they are in the " inside" . You judge them based on their actions. Wether or not Campbell at his core is a downfield passer or not is moot. The question is did he play like one at a level that would make in unfair to throw his season out.

He attacked the downfield more then Palmer.

He successfully completed the ball better downfield then Palmer.

If your judging who was the better downfield passer , you judge it on who was more successful in throwing them. Sucess is obviously when you complete the pass, Completing the pass is the completion percentage. Campbell had a higher percentage and thus was more successfull.

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CRA Grand Master

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He's averaged something like 40 yards per game throughout his career. That's the definition of mediocre.

then what is Murphy then? We are just talking about upgrading what we have...

and Steve Smith averaged 39 yards per game in 2010 in his "prime". You don't think DHB being young with a bad TE/RB checkdown QB should be taken into account?

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Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)

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Yes, Myers is a tight end. Doesn't change the fact that DHB was the third target in that offense, and didn't separate himself that much from the fourth guy.

41 catches on 80 targets, with a 14.8 yard average

39 catches on 73 targets, with a 15.0 yard average.

It's a difference of 4 yards per game. If that's not comparable, I don't know what is.

I didn't actually look at the stats, I was just assuming.

But I don't see why you wouldn't want him. His potential is through the roof, and an offense like ours could harness that potential.

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The fact is, Campbell was certainly as competent and even bit better then Palmer as a DP. This has been proven.

So Bey 2010 season is certainley up for argument. However both Palmer and Campbell are not the Qb or DP that Newton is.

Campbell is a game manager....which is fine. He however gets little out of WRs....he always has been and is a TE/ RB checkdown guy.

He isn't better than Palmer going to WRs....not even close. Production from WRs was a night and day difference in Oak....that isn't a debate

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We really need both. For those hating on DHB, his good year in 2011 where he had 975 yards and 4 TDs is the same year Hue Jackson was the head coach and running our same offense, so it's obvious he can excel. If he could do that in our offense with Jason Campbell/Palmer, what could he do for us?

Huff was a FS playing CB most of the year due to injuries and put up good statistics, if he can cover at CB, I'm pretty sure he'd be better then anything we have at FS. Hell, sign him as a CB.

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Again, situation matters....can't judge a WR with Jason Campbell at QB. You can judge a TE and RB's ability as a reciever. Only era in Oak worth looking at is the Palmer era.

How the heck did Murphy beat him out? Murphy was cut after putting up 200 yards and 0 TDs in Oak.....DHB had almost a 1000 yard season that year in 15 games.

DHB > Murphy. Neither are much to brag about but saying Murphy is better to date is comical.

He beat him out in Oakland in 2009 and 2010. In 2009 as well as 2010, he had more recieving yds and touchdowns. Until he got hurt in 2011, he was the number two in Oakland. Murphy has a chemistry with Cam and will be money better spent. Murphy > DHB for several reasons. It doesn't matter who the quarterback is if the reciever cannot catch dude. "More drops than receptions" is pathetic and Jerry Rice as well as Chris Carter said if a guy comes in without decent hands, he will never become a competent reciever. Much like your boy DHB.

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