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Cut Hangartner, Keep Clausen?

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The two situations really don't have anything to do with one another. If we are to keep three QBs, if JC shows progress during this preseason, why wouldn't we keep him?

Showed the Giants didn't care much if their backup QB could actually play....

Clausen isn't here b/c he can step in and play in this offense either. He doesn't fit a vertical pass offense....nor has he ever shown anything that resembles real NFL QB play

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Showed the Giants didn't care much of their backup QB could actually play....

Clausen isn't here b/c he can step in and play in this offense either

 

Well, why is he here then? 

 

Rivera and Chico believe in competition. They also shoot straight from the hip.  I doubt they have Clausen here just to take up a roster spot. I believe they want to see what the kid can or can't do, then make their determination as to his future as a Panther from there.  Jimmy will either play himself into one more year, or play himself out of a job depending on what happens in the next month.

 

 

 

TBH, to me this thread seems like a kind of back-handed crap on Clausen thread...out of the blue...from nowhere. Like: let me get a Clausen jibe in. People have done AE the same way in this place. I am tired of those, especially this time of year.  Let's see how it all plays out, and if Clausen doesn't survive, so be it. But, if he does, then great.  I feel a little uncomfortable going into the season with only two QBs, esp. with a suspect line.

 

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Well, why is he here then?

Rivera and Chico believe in competition. They also shoot straight from the hip. I doubt they have Clausen here just to take up a roster spot. I believe they want to see what the kid can or can't do, then make their determination as to his future as a Panther from there. Jimmy will either play himself into one more year, or play himself out of a job depending on what happens in the next month.

Well, the only answer they really gave last year was some lame answer about not disrupting the QB group bc they meshed well and got along good.

So you think Carr is in NY bc they believe he is the best option if Eli went down? I don't...I think he is the best option with a healthy Eli.

Jimmy probably brings a good vibe to the QB room, meshes well with Cam, and has good input.

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Well, the only answer they really gave last year was some lame answer about not disrupting the QB group bc they meshed well and got along good.

So you think Carr is in NY bc they believe he is the best option if Eli went down? I don't...I think he is the best option with a healthy Eli.

Jimmy probably brings a good vibe to the QB room, meshes well with Cam, and has good input.

 

Well, all I can say is that I wouldn't keep anyone on the roster that I feel couldn't actually get on the field and keep the ship, at least, afloat if that is what's called for. This is particularly true at the QB position. There is too much time, money and resources at stake to keep a glorified cheerleader on the roster when you don't really have to.  That's just my opinion.  I mean Jimmy's a good lookin' kid, but he ain't that damn good lookin'.

 

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"...this thread seems like a kind of back-handed crap on Clausen thread...out of the blue...from nowhere. Like: let me get a Clausen jibe in. People have done AE the same way in this place. I am tired of those, especially this time of year.  Let's see how it all plays out, and if Clausen doesn't survive, so be it. But, if he does, then great.  I feel a little uncomfortable going into the season with only two QBs, esp. with a suspect line."

 

Not really. But look at it this way- by cutting a veteran O-line player who has the proven versatility of having played virually every position on the O-line, you're telling me Clausen right now is a better backup QB than Hangartner is a starting O-lineman.

 

I think they did it because they can shove Clausen in a corner and he's one less player to worry about coaching up. That being said, the "guaranteed" salary Clausen has for 2013 is $630k.

 

From Rotoworld:

"This one comes out of left field because Hangartner was penciled in as Carolina's starting right guard. Hangartner was owed a reasonable $1.575 million salary, but must have been really struggling through a week of camp. He was also brutal last season, grading out as a bottom-five center (in place of then-injured Ryan Kalil) per Pro Football Focus' ratings. Of more concern is Hangartner's replacement. Rookie RG backup Edmund Kugbila (leg) hasn't even practiced yet. Including turnstile RT Byron Bell, the right side of Carolina's offensive line is a major concern." Aug 1 - 11:09 AM

 

 

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"...this thread seems like a kind of back-handed crap on Clausen thread...out of the blue...from nowhere. Like: let me get a Clausen jibe in. People have done AE the same way in this place. I am tired of those, especially this time of year.  Let's see how it all plays out, and if Clausen doesn't survive, so be it. But, if he does, then great.  I feel a little uncomfortable going into the season with only two QBs, esp. with a suspect line."

 

Not really. But look at it this way- by cutting a veteran O-line player who has the proven versatility of having played virually every position on the O-line, you're telling me Clausen right now is a better backup QB than Hangartner is a starting O-lineman.

 

I think they did it because they can shove Clausen in a corner and he's one less player to worry about coaching up. That being said, the "guaranteed" salary Clausen has for 2013 is $630k.

 

From Rotoworld:

"This one comes out of left field because Hangartner was penciled in as Carolina's starting right guard. Hangartner was owed a reasonable $1.575 million salary, but must have been really struggling through a week of camp. He was also brutal last season, grading out as a bottom-five center (in place of then-injured Ryan Kalil) per Pro Football Focus' ratings. Of more concern is Hangartner's replacement. Rookie RG backup Edmund Kugbila (leg) hasn't even practiced yet. Including turnstile RT Byron Bell, the right side of Carolina's offensive line is a major concern." Aug 1 - 11:09 AM

 

I can see your lose connection, but I still say QB is a totally different animal. Moreover, I did not agree with whacking Hangman, particularly at this point in the process (unless you knew that he was ultimately a glorified camp body and were doing him some kind of "favor" by cutting him early so he could find work elsewhere).  So, in that we agree.  But, as for Clausen, I still say he is going to be given his pound of flesh to either survive on or choke on. 

 

Coincidentally, Zod has basically said Clausen has sucked during camp, in so many words, while James Dator has said he has looked very good.  I say, give him until at least the second preseason game to find out what's the real deal.

 

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Clausen is in his last year at Carolina.  I don't know why he's around, other than he's cheap and he's owed guaranteed money.  However, it's likely that he is decent in the film room, and runs the scout team well.

 

And this may indeed be intended as a poop on Pickles thread, but that doesn't mean he can't play.  People forget he was a rookie on an injury riddled team that had a lame duck coaching staff and an offensive coordinator who made Joe Pendry look like Don Coryell.  If guys like Brady Quinn can get a shot starting somewhere, you can bet that Clausen will try to, and he knows that there won't be an opportunity in Carolina for as long as Cam is here.

 

So basically, we're already paying for him, and he obviously adds value that isn't readily apparent to your average fan.  Why else would we really keep him?

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