Can we just sign some Veterans already

[MadHatter]

I am not really sure why we haven't signed guys like Quintin Mikell and Travelle Wharton. (or Brandon Moore when he was available) The motto this season seems to be "Just Win" and I think everyone would agree these guys would help us do so. I do like the idea of letting young guys develop, but you usually don't go that route when the main concern is winning games. We have cap space so offer the guys a decent 1 year deal so we keep the books clear for next season. I can understand older players not wanting to play for vet minimum. A better O lineman could be cut that we could pick up but i don't think that any safeties will be cut that are better than Mikell.

Yes please....just let this team sign someone whose name I recognize. That will make me feel better.

fuging stupid

[stirs]

Many teams need help, so the fact that these guys are still sitting out there tells you that they are no good or too expensive.

Situation will help itself on both counts after the second round of cuts. Not so much the first round.

[panthers55]

Many teams need help, so the fact that these guys are still sitting out there tells you that they are no good or too expensive.

Situation will help itself on both counts after the second round of cuts. Not so much the first round.

Even in the second round there won't be as many guys as in years past.  Most of the high cap guys who could be replaced by a younger guy stepping up are already gone.  Teams dumped all those guys at the beginning of  the offseason.  Some got snatched up while others are still out there. Guys if they don't get picked up will likely retire. I can see picking them up in the event of injury because they can come in for half a year and start.  But not as backup or even depth which you use to develop guys when you plan to build for the future. We brought in a bunch of free agents to try and win now in the late 90s, and it lead to a 1-15 season.

[NCstoner420]

Even in the second round there won't be as many guys as in years past. Most of the high cap guys who could be replaced by a younger guy stepping up are already gone. Teams dumped all those guys at the beginning of the offseason. Some got snatched up while others are still out there. Guys if they don't get picked up will likely retire. I can see picking them up in the event of injury because they can come in for half a year and start. But not as backup or even depth which you use to develop guys when you plan to build for the future. We brought in a bunch of free agents to try and win now in the late 90s, and it lead to a 1-15 season.

2001

[panthers55]

2001

Exactly.  The failure of us to develop players and an over reliance on short term vets in the late 90s which was continued by Seifert led to the 1-15 season in 2001.

[Eazy-E]

Yes please....just let this team sign someone whose name I recognize. That will make me feel better.

fuging stupid

Having terrible depth on the offensive line and a group of strong safeties without a decent amount of starting experience is fuging stupid.

[NCstoner420]

Exactly. The failure of us to develop players and an over reliance on short term vets in the late 90s which was continued by Seifert led to the 1-15 season in 2001.

Well the team really didn't have a choice in picking up vets or not with the expansion draft and all. I get where you're going though, no back to back winning seasons and only four winning seasons out of eighteen does lead one to believe in poor ownership.

[panthers55]

Well the team really didn't have a choice in picking up vets or not with the expansion draft and all. I get where you're going though, no back to back winning seasons and only four winning seasons out of eighteen does lead one to believe in poor ownership.

Signing free agents worked out well in 95 and 96 when we had to build a winner in order to gain fans and get the franchise going. But then instead of building through the draft, developing players and doing what we are doing now, we kept signing big name free agents. We compounded that by stupid decisions like canning the guys we needed like Beuerlein and drafting guys like Weinke.

[NCstoner420]

Signing free agents worked out well in 95 and 96 when we had to build a winner in order to gain fans and get the franchise going. But then instead of building through the draft, developing players and doing what we are doing now, we kept signing big name free agents. We compounded that by stupid decisions like canning the guys we needed like Beuerlein and drafting guys like Weinke.

Weinke was drafted in the fourth round, I wouldn't really call that a wasted draft pick.

[Sloth]

Byron Bell and Garry Williams make up the right side of our line.  Both UDFA, both might be solid depth on most teams, both starters here.  Our previous backup LT was Bruce Campbell, who's never done anything since being over drafted and is out for most of the year anyways.  Our current backup LT seems to be Nate Chandler, an UDFA DT. Our D2 project from Midwestern Illinois Vocational Institute or wherever has been training for the Tour de France since his name was called and may not actually remember what a football looks like at this point. Our second year D2 guy is bipolar and wildly switches between solid and lol usually on a play by play basis. Our backup C/G, Jeff Byers, is another UDFA who couldn't hold a job until landing in Carolina.

 

But yeah, fug your vets. We're developing talent here.

[panthers55]

Weinke was drafted in the fourth round, I wouldn't really call that a wasted draft pick.

When you compare it to the first 3 rounds where we picked up Morgan, Jenkins, and Smith you might.....

[rdog157h]

Just look at last season. Dwan Edwards! Good players get cut! Everyone needs to chill! Atlanta is 0-2 is the sky falling on them?