Panthers v. Saints matchup #2

[jamos14]

I saw two interesting stats from PFF on the Rams-Saints game yesterday.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/12/16/pff-reaction-blog-week-15/

 

 

 

- The Rams offensive line allowed pressure on only 4 passing attempts as they were required to pass protect on only 20 occasions.

 

   Easier said than done obviously but this has/is our method to winning.  Keep Cam upright and run the ball successfully.

 

- All bar 22 of Zac Stacy’s 133 yards came outside the tackles. This 17% of yards between the tackles is unusual for him as he normally averages 50%.

 

  This may be off base but I seem to remember us trying to run a lot on the Saint's interior last game.  They have some BIG bodies on their front and seem to clog up the middle efficiently.  I am optimistic based on D-Wills game this week that we can have some serious success on tosses, sweeps, power, etc.  He looked good turning the corner and our WRs had a nice blocking game sealing the edge. 

 

Let's discuss what adjustments we expect to see this week.

 

 

 

 

[Big A]

Saints off had almost 400 yards and 6 redzone trips while Saints Def held a Rams to 3 points and 67 yards in second half, the 17-0 lead because of turnovers minutes into game is what lost game. Add to that a surprise onside to get another possession and a sack fumble and 4 turnovers to Zero as well as two blocked FGs were the difference.

[Rubi]

Being aggressive from the start on defense. Blitz all day.

WRs need to get open this time around. Run Cam 10 times. That should get us around 70-80 yards right there...

[jtnc]

Saints off had almost 400 yards and 6 redzone trips while Saints Def held a Rams to 3 points and 67 yards in second half, the 17-0 lead because of turnovers is what lost game. Add to that a surprise onside to get another possession and a sack fumble and 4 turnovers to Zero as well as two blocked FGs were the difference.

The 400 yards is bullshit, garbage time stats.

[Big A]

The 400 yards is bullshit, garbage time stats.

Yeah, that 350 yard drive in final 2 minutes did account for a lot of it.

[jamos14]

Saints off had almost 400 yards and 6 redzone trips while Saints Def held a Rams to 3 points and 67 yards in second half, the 17-0 lead because of turnovers minutes into game is what lost game. Add to that a surprise onside to get another possession and a sack fumble and 4 turnovers to Zero as well as two blocked FGs were the difference.

 

I get what you're trying to say here but you can't discredit every thing the Rams did right and belittle all the mistakes the Saints made.

 

Of course 4 turnovers is going to be a huge difference. 

[MadHatter]

Saints off had almost 400 yards and 6 redzone trips while Saints Def held a Rams to 3 points and 67 yards in second half, the 17-0 lead because of turnovers minutes into game is what lost game. Add to that a surprise onside to get another possession and a sack fumble and 4 turnovers to Zero as well as two blocked FGs were the difference.

 

Catfish's Logic....Hey guys, we got ran out of the dome.....but let me give you some worthles and meaningless stats that said we really won the battle.

 

Dude....you are PATHETIC.

[Big A]

Here is Saints defensive study from Panthers game that explains what worked,

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/53076/film-study-reviewing-saints-defense-8

Solo stops: I can't remember the last time I noticed so many impressive solo tackles by the Saints defense. The best was safety Malcolm Jenkins' hit against Newton on a read-option run that knocked him for a 2-yard loss inside the Saints' red zone. Fullback Mike Tolbert was heading out to block Jenkins, but Jenkins made him whiff when he knifed inside. Then Jenkins hit Newton around his knees to flip him up off the ground. That play ultimately led to Carolina settling for another field goal on its second possession.

Cornerback Keenan Lewis also made a terrific tackle against receiver Steve Smith for a 3-yard loss on a receiver screen in the second quarter. Lewis fought off a block attempt by receiver Brandon LaFell and practically shoved LaFell into Smith while making the tackle.

Safety Kenny Vaccaro made two nice open-field tackles. Linebackers Curtis Lofton, David Hawthorne and Parys Haralson each made standout solo stops, as well.

Disciplined effort: Last week, the Saints' defense probably had more undisciplined breakdowns at Seattle than they had in the first 11 games combined -- in both pass coverage and run containment. This week was like night and day in both areas.

Galette -- who got burned by a couple run plays at Seattle -- did a very impressive job of staying home on the edge of the line during the Panthers' read-option plays. One time he snuffed out a short pass intended for DeAngelo Williams. Another time, he was so busy spying on Williams that he let Newton scramble for a 6-yard gain -- but it was still evident that he was doing his job.

Other times, the Saints clearly had a spy hovering back behind the line of scrimmage to keep Newton from running free (Lofton at least once and Hawthorne at least twice). Newton still managed to beat a couple blitzes with long scrambles (finishing with six runs for 48 yards). And Carolina's trio of running backs gained 80 yards on 17 carries. But the Saints were solid enough in that area -- much better than some previous nightmares against the Panthers.

[jamos14]

I don't want to turn this into a thread attacking Alice or poo talking.  Let's talk about the game alone.  (we have enough of those threads already).

 

 

[lightsout]

Saints off had almost 400 yards and 6 redzone trips while Saints Def held a Rams to 3 points and 67 yards in second half, the 17-0 lead because of turnovers minutes into game is what lost game. Add to that a surprise onside to get another possession and a sack fumble and 4 turnovers to Zero as well as two blocked FGs were the difference.

So what you're saying is, the team that played the better overall game won? Wow. Here I was thinking that a point fairy just gave the Rams all those points.

[Big A]

I get what you're trying to say here but you can't discredit every thing the Rams did right and belittle all the mistakes the Saints made.

Of course 4 turnovers is going to be a huge difference.

Wasn't trying to say the Saints won with stats, I was just pointing out that it wasn't just the running of Stacy that made the biggest impact, I was pressure that led to turnovers, there were many places to blame, but the pressure forced 3 turnovers and two blocked kicks which I can't remember the last time we had a kick blocked, much less 2 in a row. Turnovers made the difference, Saints were still able to move the ball to redzone on most drives.

[jamos14]

Here is Saints defensive study from Panthers game that explains what worked,

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/53076/film-study-reviewing-saints-defense-8

 

 

 

Can't argue at all with that.  The Jenkins tackle on that play was huge, same as the Lewis tackles on the WR screens.

 

Carolina needs to have better success against Gallette pass blocking this game too.

[Big A]

I don't want to turn this into a thread attacking Alice or poo talking. Let's talk about the game alone. (we have enough of those threads already).

Exactly, That's what I was trying to do, but apparently pointing out anything specific about game to address what worked and what didn't is the same a me saying Saints won or should have won. Smh

[Delhommey]

Saints off had almost 400 yards and 6 redzone trips while Saints Def held a Rams to 3 points and 67 yards in second half, the 17-0 lead because of turnovers minutes into game is what lost game. Add to that a surprise onside to get another possession and a sack fumble and 4 turnovers to Zero as well as two blocked FGs were the difference.

 

Ahhh the old "change 6 or 7 plays and we would have won" argument.