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Roster churn - Seahawks #1 since 2010 (by a large margin)

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Was trying to organize the Panthers roster into different groups and ran across this article while trying to do some research. (sorry if it had already been posted). While I don't agree 100% with the article, coorelation != causation, it does provide some credence that Pete Carroll and John Schneider wants to see as many bodies to evaluate as possible. Might be why they've been able to plug backups in during the season w/o significant dropoffs in output. Talent eval still being the most important.

 

No idea where the Panthers might be on this list...

I was looking at roster churn and trying to group the Panthers into 3 tiers.

Tier 1: Elite

Tier 2: Very good at their position

Tier 3: Avg/Below avg/unproven (these is where there should be lots of turnover, but I don't know if that's the case before G-man arrived.)

 

 

The Seahawks' Secret: Moves. Lots of Moves

Since January 2010, when Seattle hired Pete Carroll as its coach, the Seahawks have logged 1,105 transactions, by far the most in the NFL, according to Stats LLC. In fact, Seattle is the only team over that span to crack 1,000 transactions. Only five other teams topped 900.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303743604579350702085746462

 

 

 

 

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they are never satsified with what they have is what i take from that, and i like it. i also see that with gettleman.

 

one of the things that i'm sure people would complain about is letting go of guys with potential. we always get attached to guys that we hope some day will turn into something special...the underdog player. i think that in the hurney era we were really bad about that.

 

some players spent years on the roster with the team just waiting for that moment to come where it all clicks. that's just not a way to ensure you have the best team possible, tho.

 

we have to be constantly looking for the right fit and we don't need to take much time to see if it's there. sure, some day two or three draft picks might need a couple years to develop, but i think even with that it doesn't take long to see if the light is capable of coming on or if what they can deliver when they finally "get it" is worth the time put into it.

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That is interesting to see some of the best teams on the top of this list, but there is also a good number of some of the worst teams, so I'm not sure if there is a correlation there.

 

i think there is.

 

with the seahawks and pats, i can look at that and see that it's their model of doing business.

 

with the bucs and colts and some of the other teams, they have just had a huge overhaul in their team because of coaching changes and such. i don't see we'll see a pattern there the way we do with the seahawks and pats.

 

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i think there is.

 

with the seahawks and pats, i can look at that and see that it's their model of doing business.

 

with the bucs and colts and some of the other teams, they have just had a huge overhaul in their team because of coaching changes and such. i don't see we'll see a pattern there the way we do with the seahawks and pats.

 

Yeah, but if you look at that, it kinda looks like the Jets and Jaguars model too..

 

It doesn't tell the whole story.

 

The Seahawks vastly improved once they found their quarterback. Thats what usually makes the biggest difference.

 

There are just too many average to below average teams high on that list to say there is a correlation.  The Broncos were 26th and look how good they are? Just like the Seahawks, they became contenders when they got their quarterback.

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Just a reference point.   Transaction doesn't equate to roster changes only.  If for example you sign a guy to the practice squad, waive him, resign him, elevate him to the active roster, send him back to the practice squad and then waive him again, that would be 6 transactions with the same guy.  Sure they had a ton of them but it could be 300 transactions with 50 guys not a 150 guys necessarily.

Just saying...............

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The correlation is in mindset.

 

The Jags are always looking for another player to help them get wins, so they cycle through tons of players to do so.

 

The Seahawks are doing the same.

 

Stockpiling talent is a constant effort.

 

 

I certainly hope the Panthers follow a similar model going forward.

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they are never satsified with what they have is what i take from that, and i like it. i also see that with gettleman.

 

one of the things that i'm sure people would complain about is letting go of guys with potential. we always get attached to guys that we hope some day will turn into something special...the underdog player. i think that in the hurney era we were really bad about that.

 

some players spent years on the roster with the team just waiting for that moment to come where it all clicks. that's just not a way to ensure you have the best team possible, tho.

 

we have to be constantly looking for the right fit and we don't need to take much time to see if it's there. sure, some day two or three draft picks might need a couple years to develop, but i think even with that it doesn't take long to see if the light is capable of coming on or if what they can deliver when they finally "get it" is worth the time put into it.

 

This is what I "think" Carroll and Schneider are doing. Is Hawk recovered from partying yet? He might have more insight. But what the Hawks show is their Coach/GM philosophy. Yes, they could be waiving, cutting, re-signing the same player to pad the transactions, but you can't pad a 15% lead on the 2nd place team.

Bad teams with new GMs/HCs should have high transactions as they get their team assembled.

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This is what I "think" Carroll and Schneider are doing. Is Hawk recovered from partying yet? He might have more insight. But what the Hawks show is their Coach/GM philosophy. Yes, they could be waiving, cutting, re-signing the same player to pad the transactions, but you can't pad a 15% lead on the 2nd place team.

Bad teams with new GMs/HCs should have high transactions as they get their team assembled.

Its easy to look at Seattle at the top of this list and make a correlation, but I'm just not sure if its there.  The Seahawks are reaping the benefits of drafting well.. Their best players came from the draft.  They really started to be contenders when they got their quarterback, which probably shows a much much better correlation.  They aren't players that came from constantly changing your roster.  Your highest turnover rate should be at the bottom of your roster, not the top.  I agree that you need to always improve in this area, but i think there are too many factors (quarterback, draft success, good teams not on the list, and bad teams that are on the list) to make this type of direct correlation.

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The correlation is in mindset.

 

The Jags are always looking for another player to help them get wins, so they cycle through tons of players to do so.

 

The Seahawks are doing the same.

 

Stockpiling talent is a constant effort.

 

 

I certainly hope the Panthers follow a similar model going forward.

 

good explaination.

 

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