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What does the Ramsdell hiring say about Shula's future?

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Ramsdell's bio closely aligns with the Air Coryell offense. Shula has been associated with a more conservative ball control offense.

 

Our offense last year was clearly lacking  the explosiveness that it had during Chuds first year with basically the same roster.

 

Could this mean Shula may be on a short leash ? The position was quietly created and only discovered because of two of our own doing their own research. 

 

My hopes is that it indicates Shula has been given different marching orders as to the offense we will be running in the future. If he stumbles we already have the guy on staff that can make it happen. 

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Hopefully.  Shula has already gotten one more chance than he deserves...

 

The scary thing is that our running game (11th) and time of possession( 5th) did not look bad on paper until you realize it was mostly done by Cam.If you take Cam out of the equation our offense was abysmal. 

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In 2011 the Baltimore Ravens went 12-4 on the back of a solid defense, but the offense was clearly lackluster. Cam Cameron wasn't a good enough offensive mind to get the team over the hump, so Jim Caldwell was hired after being axed in Indianapolis. His role was officially named "quarterback coach," but the overtones were obvious -- they wanted a guy inside the organization to take over if Cameron struggled once again.

Nine months later Caldwell took over when the Ravens dismissed Cameron, they won the Super Bowl.

 

 

 

good little article here ;

 

http://www.derp/2014/4/3/5578466/john-ramsdell-panthers-hiring-offensive-assistant

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Ramsdell's bio closely aligns with the Air Coryell offense. Shula has been associated with a more conservative ball control offense.

 

Our offense last year was clearly lacking  the explosiveness that it had during Chuds first year with basically the same roster.

 

Could this mean Shula may be on a short leash ? The position was quietly created and only discovered because of two of our own doing their own research. 

 

My hopes is that it indicates Shula has been given different marching orders as to the offense we will be running in the future. If he stumbles we already have the guy on staff that can make it happen. 

Shula is Coryell, too.  The offense didn't change.  Coryell doesn't always mean running 4 verticals on second down in your own territory.

 

Not unlike Steve Wilks' hiring, Rivera targeted an area that needed an upgrade.  In both cases, yes, it provides a contingency for failure.  

 

The thing about this, though, is that people read too deeply into this.  That contingency is not plan A.  Rivera wants this offense to succeed and he, Shula, Ramsdell, and the rest will work to that goal.  That's their only job.  Anything else comes after significant failure, and they don't want that. 

 

 

I don't want to give out the impression that because Ramsdell's here, there'll suddenly be a ton of deep balls chucked up. Rivera wants to control the ball (which, BTW, is not an offense, it's a concept - and even with that, it's up to whether you have 2011 chuck-it-up Cam running it or the later 2012-2013 conservative, take what you get Cam running it).  

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hate to be that guy.  Yes, the Ravens won the Super Bowl that year.  Jim Caldwell is also awful.  What a terrible analogy.

 

Caldwell no more deserved that Lions job than you did.  Plus, the idea that the Ravens hired Caldwell as a "Quarterbacks coach", quoting it as if the job itself is somehow a farce or a coverup to overthrow Cameron, seems kinda ignorant.  They filled the position because they had an opening.  They got the best coach that fit their offense. 

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Half of the O-Line a liability, one WR, old & oft injured RBs: not Shulas fault. Shula may not be the greatest OC ever, but we don't even know bc he's been given hardly anything to work with outside of Cam. Calling for him to lose his job is just finding a scapegoat without addressing our real problems.

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