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So by your logic Avant is also better than Brandon Marshall right?

No I'm not talking about Marshall. I'm talking when it comes to being consistent and when it comes to sustaining drives avant is better than lafell. You're jumping from Lafell to a too a all-star.

And when it comes down to that 4&10 play, yeah I'd rather throw it at the guy who is where he is supposed to be and I know will catch it. Stop going on tangents and taking things out of context to try and prove your point. I was talking about the 4th n 10 play.

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You're acting like stats wins football games. Chud had a bunch of stats. Didn't win games

Who wins a game? The team that scores more points than the other team. But yea you right touchdowns don't win football games.

Forgetting we got knocked out the playoffs for failing to put the ball in the endzone

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No I'm not talking about Marshall. I'm talking when it comes to being consistent and when it comes to sustaining drives avant is better than lafell. You're jumping from Lafell to a too a all-star.

And when it comes down to that 4&10 play, yeah I'd rather throw it at the guy who is where he is supposed to be and I know will catch it. Stop going on tangents and taking things out of context to try and prove your point. I was talking about the 4th n 10 play.

No no no, technically Avant is better than Matshall because Marshall is statistically more likely to drop a pass. Right? Stop looking at Marshall's numbers because remember numbers don't matter. Avant is better

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Stop with this Avant is better than Lafell nonsense. Ok yea he's better if we discount receiving yards and touchdowns.

 

One has been buried behind DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin and Riley Cooper.  Not to mention Celek, Ertz and Shady also make solid receiving targets.  This one has made the most of his opportunities.  He also was being thrown the ball by wonderful talents like Donovan McNabb at the tail end of his career, Kevin Kolb, Mike Vick and Vince Young.

 

One has been behind Steve Smith and Greg Olsen... thats it. This one has a tendency to drop wide open passes in critical situations.  This one has only shown the ability to "go up and get it" in one game (Green Bay 2011) within a 4 year career.  He has had opportunities to catch passes from a potential hall of fame quarterback.

 

While neither have much upside in terms of being a true playmaker, one makes tough catches in traffic, doesn't drop wide open passes, and costs a good bit less.

 

If production out of a receiver just seamlessly moves with them regardless of who is throwing them the ball, offensive scheme, and position on the depth chart then would you explain these wide out transactions and why they couldn't match their previous production?

Randy Moss: Minn to Oak

Deion Branch: NE to Sea

Mike Wallace: Pitt to Mia

Steve Breaston: Ari to KC

Greg Jennings: GB to Minn

Santonio Holmes: Pitt to NYJ

 

And what is this your babbling on about Cam becoming an overpaid game manager?  So what, if you don't throw for 4000 yards and 30+ scores your labeled a "game manager"?  Anyone who watched Cam last season (his whole career actually) could quite plainly see he carries our offense and is one of the most valuable players in the league.  Yes big passing stats are the best way to win superbowls as shown by the three most prolific passing attacks in NFL history led by Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Dan Marino proved. (Breaking news from Joe Person: Apparently this didn't happen.  In fact they all lost to killer defenses in a hilarious fashion.)

 

I'm sorry your butthurt that Cam probably won't be the GStatisticalPlayerOAT, but unfortunately he's a Carolina Panther who happen to share the same philosophies as the Pittsburgh Steelers.  I don't know why you'd even become a Panther fan if what you want to see is a high octane passing offense.

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No I'm not talking about Marshall. I'm talking when it comes to being consistent and when it comes to sustaining drives avant is better than lafell. You're jumping from Lafell to a too a all-star.

And when it comes down to that 4&10 play, yeah I'd rather throw it at the guy who is where he is supposed to be and I know will catch it. Stop going on tangents and taking things out of context to try and prove your point. I was talking about the 4th n 10 play.

 

 

Speaking of Brandon Marshall, I read were Cody Latimer is training with Marshall and he's quickly rising in the draft...I think the Panthers had him in for a visit the other day or was planning on it...from what I read they seemed very interested..for a team needing receiver help I'll be damned if this wasn't the best draft since I can remember for WR talent...could easily see guys that end up being future studs drafted very late...though some think the WR signings are underwhelming I think we got some solid vets that can mentor and it's gonna allow the brass to draft tackle first round (which I personally think is a no-brainer)...

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Star, White, started most of the season. Lester got 6 starts and Klein and Short got some starts in during the season.

All got a lot of playing time.

Example.

Cole got more starts but Short played more snaps.

I just meant we never had 5 rookies start in one game together.

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One has been buried behind DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin and Riley Cooper. Not to mention Celek, Ertz and Shady also make solid receiving targets. This one has made the most of his opportunities. He also was being thrown the ball by wonderful talents like Donovan McNabb at the tail end of his career, Kevin Kolb, Mike Vick and Vince Young.

One has been behind Steve Smith and Greg Olsen... thats it. This one has a tendency to drop wide open passes in critical situations. This one has only shown the ability to "go up and get it" in one game (Green Bay 2011) within a 4 year career. He has had opportunities to catch passes from a potential hall of fame quarterback.

While neither have much upside in terms of being a true playmaker, one makes tough catches in traffic, doesn't drop wide open passes, and costs a good bit less.

If production out of a receiver just seamlessly moves with them regardless of who is throwing them the ball, offensive scheme, and position on the depth chart then would you explain these wide out transactions and why they couldn't match their previous production?

Randy Moss: Minn to Oak

Deion Branch: NE to Sea

Mike Wallace: Pitt to Mia

Steve Breaston: Ari to KC

Greg Jennings: GB to Minn

Santonio Holmes: Pitt to NYJ

And what is this your babbling on about Cam becoming an overpaid game manager? So what, if you don't throw for 4000 yards and 30+ scores your labeled a "game manager"? Anyone who watched Cam last season (his whole career actually) could quite plainly see he carries our offense and is one of the most valuable players in the league. Yes big passing stats are the best way to win superbowls as shown by the three most prolific passing attacks in NFL history led by Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Dan Marino proved. (Breaking news from Joe Person: Apparently this didn't happen. In fact they all lost to killer defenses in a hilarious fashion.)

I'm sorry your butthurt that Cam probably won't be the GStatisticalPlayerOAT, but unfortunately he's a Carolina Panther who happen to share the same philosophies as the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know why you'd even become a Panther fan if what you want to see is a high octane passing offense.

Keep thinking I give a fug about Cam and his stats, you guys will be the ones complaining when we're paying him 100 million dollars.

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So by your logic Avant is also better than Brandon Marshall right?

 

 

If you have enough playmaking ability to make up for drops it can be excusable.  LaFell doesn't have playmaking ability.  Noone is saying Avant does.  Their roles are the same as a possession receiver, except one fails horribly at the whole "possession" part of it.

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If you have enough playmaking ability to make up for drops it can be excusable. LaFell doesn't have playmaking ability. Noone is saying Avant does. Their roles are the same as a possession receiver, except one fails horribly at the whole "possession" part of it.

And one fails horribly at getting into the endzone so there's a trade off.

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Keep thinking I give a fug about Cam and his stats, you guys will be the ones complaining when we're paying him 100 million dollars.

 

No because Cam is worth 100 million.  He's worth more than that to this franchise.  We are complaining about shelling out 100s of millions on guys who aren't worth that.  Why is that hard to understand?  If Williams and Stewart were playing like AP and Shady you wouldn't hear a peep out of us.

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