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I think most are agreeing. Even here. Pat McAfee, Kay Adams, Drew Brees, Reddit, whatever media you consume. Even Chris Simms the Bryce hater himself. Everyone’s all kinda glazing Bryce and those throws. Honestly a little too much imo. But I do think it is the consensus.

Stats have to be used as a piece in interpretation of the whole which is what I was saying. There's lots of different stats that can be used to evaluate players besides the stat line at the end of the game. T2G had a high completion % because he constantly checked down for short passes. A QB passing 0-5 yards is likely going to have a higher completion than one making passes 10-15 yards regularly. They're higher % passes. How far is RB1 getting beyond the line of scrimmage before contact? Rico is averaging 6 ypc. Jeantry has 3 ypc but is getting contacted often behind the line. What if Dowdle were getting less than a yard after contact but Jeantry was getting 2.5? Who's the better runner then? Bryce keeps getting credited with all these games winning drives. The final drive vs Atl, Bryce get credit for a 54 yard pass when in reality, he completed a basic 5 yard pass and Tremble ran over multiple defenders for nearly 50 yards. Then he hands off 3 times to set up the field goal. Now did he put the team on his back and lead the drive, or is he the beneficiary of a statistic? Does handing the ball off once after a fumbles recovery followed by a field goal count as leading a drive? Multiple stats tell different parts of the story from different angles. You have to use them together to wisely interpret what it means. No one said solely depend on the stats. But if you analyze them, use them as the tools that they are, you can learn a lot and create advantages for yourself and your team. Take what's available and determine what's worth using and what's not. But don't just ignore stats because you're scared you might be wrong.

Tell em Aussie

I can do it again, Bryce Young didn’t complete a single downfield pass more than 10 yards on 1st, 2nd or 3rd down for an entire game. Canales took 2 huge gambles on 4th down that worked out tremendously. And these exact same type gambles have been blasted by the board this entire season as bad playcalls when they didn’t work out. Great and dumb ain’t that far apart. the viewpoint of great QB play is skewed. Or outlook and view of a QB in general. There is a criteria used for 31 other teams and a very unique version that only applies to Bryce. As others have said this week, the Jaguars pass game and Trevor can be deemed as horrible….and Bryce/Carolina somehow “good” lol.

That's...odd

I should add though that sometimes it's the guy who people thought was the lesser of the two that ends up being the one that was being carried. Courtney Brown and Lavar Arrington at PSU comes to mind immediately. Everyone thought Brown was Julius Peppers but I told my college buddy who was a big LSU fan that it was very obvious to me that Lavar was the player. He was insistent that Brown was the actual stud and I'm like yeah man, I'm just not seeing it. That Lavar guy is the one that's jumping out to me.

you're right

I agree with this!!

I agree with you that AJ Brown and Mahomes were deserving of being nominated. I just find it odd that among these 6 nominees, Bryce is the guy you’re singling out as undeserving? Are you that impressed with Swift and Achane’s ~130 yards and 1 TD? It’s a lot easier to do a 1 to 1 statistical comparison between a RB and WR than it is to compare a QB to a WR. So it’s basically 130 yards and 1 TD (Swift/Achane) against 130 yards and 2 TDs (Brown). That’s way more clear and egregious than trying to argue a QB’s 200 yards and 3 TDs is worse than a WR’s 130 yards and 2 TDs. My vote would be swapping in AJ Brown for Swift, if you consider that Swift’s 7th round back-up had basically an equal stat line. And if you want to replace someone else on this list with Mahomes, may I nominate the opposing QB who he faced and outperformed? Dak wasn’t even the best QB in his own stadium that day. They were both very similar in yardage (if you include Mahomes’ 30 rush yards), but Mahomes had 4 TDs and 0 INTs to Dak’s 2 TDs and 1 INT. And you’ve talked a lot about your understanding of this award being largely statistics-based. But you have neglected two key stats here: the first being QB Rating, which I believe Bryce led the league in this week (someone fact check me). I know QB Rating is a bit different than a traditional metric that you can objectively evaluate on its own, but it’s arguably the most valuable singular stat since it encompasses all those other key objective metrics in quantifying a QB’s overall performance via a structured formula. And the other key stat which appears to be quite significant in their criteria when doling out nominations? WIN VS LOSS. You’ll notice the only nominee here that was on a losing team was Bijan Robinson who had almost 200 scrimmage yards and a TD. That also explains why guys like AJ Brown and Mahomes didn’t get nominated. I went back and revisited the nominees each week going back to Week 9 and you see roughly the same pattern each week: vast majority of nominees from winning teams, and the rare nominee from a losing team having a HUGE statistical performance. Examples being Bowers and London after their ~120 yard 3 TD games, Brissett after his 450 yard game where I think he broke some kind of NFL record for completion percentage, and Jameis Winston last week when he had 400 yards and 3 TDs including a 33-yard touchdown RECEPTION. In fact, those are the only nominees on losing teams over the last 5 weeks (5 total, averaging 1 per week). Bijan Robinson had arguably the most lackluster stat line of all the losers, with only 200 scrimmage yards and a TD. So yeah apparently it takes quite a monster game for a loser to get nominated and Brown/Mahomes apparently didn’t meet that threshold.

Steve Smith

You have a long way to go to match that guy.

I got my moral compass from Bill Belichick

I hope not lol.

They will choke.

I’m not sure now bud. 8:48 to go in Third Quarter and your Panthers just took the lead lol.

You wanted to reiterate this?

That would be called let me see I know I have it around here somewhere. Oh yeah! Its on my computer. Takes a little longer but I have to say its still technically using a computer.

The Rams are going to win silly. Everyone says we will lose so its a lock.

Yeah man that's football. Reminds me of Herb Brooks: "if we play em 10 times, that might beat us 9, but not tonight"

If he wins the division, I would support him getting COTY 100% considering the mess that we have been in for so long. He owes about 75% of the award to Dan Morgan.

Rams scored went up 21-17. It’s not looking good bud. I just wonder how this will end lol.

Yeah, I mean if you watched the game he was. Dude had 2 throws over 10 yards downfield and he was completely hidden. There were 2 schizophrenic 4th down playcalls. If you didn’t catch those 2 passes and watched her rest of the game. the fine line between dumb and stupid playcalls….is often just the result. Bryce misses just one of the 4th down calls and the narrative for Bryce and Canales is an entire 180.

I've tuned in myself.

That is a must. I'm not sure I can watch another Panthers game knowing Young is the only qb option on the roster.

I’m watching the replay of your game vs the Rams playing on NFL Network now.