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Okay, that is if there was a three way tie. I suppose I didn't consider that.

I think the NFC is significantly better but we will see how it goes. Could be a very interesting playoffs.

If only there was a way the ball could have been thrown higher. Oh well.

While it says we converted later, it 100% impacted the game. First, the clock stopped on the incompletion and we would have had another 12 yards on tha drive. We didn’t score but the play calls change. Seeing as how we lost on a last second long FG, an extra 12 yards and running the clock down another 17 seconds (or forcing NO to use a timeout) likely means at a minimum we go to OT and at best we score and win the game.

You were hollering about the 20-17 finish fairly early lol. A wizard, you are.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that if the Panthers were playing a team as the betting underdog that would have 100% have stood as a catch. I said in the game thread I'd bet my life savings that catch would be overturned because the game was being managed towards a Saints victory. It's not really super fun to watch the NFL anymore because of the managed outcomes.

This didn't impact the game since we got a 1st on the next play but it's still ridiculous. I love football but it really is a joke, nobody with half a brain and any real world experience believes that the amount of money in sports betting is having 0 effect on the outcomes of these games. It is not healthy for anybody. We have people telling players to kill themselves or talking about doing things to their family because they dropped a pass or didn't get enough yards for their over. We do too much to promote and enable people to be the worst version of themselves. It's only a matter of time before some massive scandal is broken.

The Saints had the ball literally bounce their way multiple times in that game

I've seen enough tape review to see that we run crossers...we have dudes in the middle of the field. I have to think that this is a harder area for someone of Bryce's stature to hit. You have to see directly over the center of the line and is probably where the most interceptions happen (he has thrown a LOT of his picks by not seeing a dude in the middle of the field).

I’m pretty sure we did end up getting the first in that drive, but I don’t remember. It was obviously a catch the ball didn’t move

While I don't think NFL games are fully rigged, it's certainly closer to a scripted outcome than we all think. The NFL by their own admission in court is not a fair and balanced sporting event. It is a managed entertainment product, a "spectacle" as they've put it, that now has sports betting as a huge financial pillar of their business model. It's ridicuously naive to still think the NFL isn't using referees to manage the games towards certain outcomes, using "replays in the booth" and overturning calls, choosing to overlook penalties at critical moments and calling questionable and sometimes phantom game changing penalties at other critical junctures of games. The NFL has always done this going as far back as the '60s, and they were investigated by the FBI in the '70s which found a large number of ownership groups had ties to the mob. So when the overwhelming majority of the moneyline bets were on the Panthers vs the Saints last week, and suddenly we see some strange and ticky tack penalties we've rarely seen called on the Panthers all year, I just know there's more going on behind the scenes. And suddenly next week, the Panthers will probably be nudged to a win, to keep the NFC South race interesting, as I see the Bucs are the favorite as of now and most moneyline bets will trend towards the Bucs until during the game when the Bucs are leading heading into the 4th quarter, and the Panthers are nudged to a win. At least, that's what the NFL and Vegas probably want to happen.

Taylor Moton also slipped and missed his block entirely The oline”s performance was less than stellar in the 4th qtr

There have been quite a few instances this year where there was NO clear evidence to overturn a call, and they did it anyway not in our favor. Whatever happened to indisputable evidence? Anyway, we've been getting hosed by refs for as long as I can remember, notably Peppers bullsh*t running into the kicker penalty. Then the 49ers playoff game, then the superbowl (Cotchery caught that fuggin ball), then the opening night against DEN, etc.

That’s right so they are choosing a play that wouldn’t change the outcome of the game.

At this point the NFL trolling us with the admissions on bad officiating.

I cant remember exactly, but I think Bryce scrambled for a first down the next play anyway

Refs are a joke. I can’t remember what quarter or ever what the score was when this happened, would it have mattered? This wasn’t the only bad call, are they only admitting to a bad call that didn’t change the game?

Everyone knew the catch was secured and didn't move. That was clear to the entire audience. The only ones who thought it wasn't a catch were in the NYC home office. They knew they'd just offer an apology the next day.

NEVER FORGET!!!! Canales was on no one's radar. Tepper couldn't get anyone to come here. He was all in on Ben Johnson. Nobody wants to work with Tepper, however Canales tenure may prove important for the next guy. This guy still has no idea what he's doing.

The 4th down play was poor execution by Chuba. He didn't want to get physical like Rico and cut North South to lean on his blocks from Tremble and Ekwonu for half a yard. Also, the 3rd down play before that Bryce audibled out to a QB run and almost got the 1st down was on Chuba for not knowing the play call leading to poor execution. You can see Chuba's confusion when Bryce had to realign him. Then Chuba thought he was getting the handoff and was slow to develop his double team on the DE with Tremble. Then Chuba hesitated on pushing the block and just ran to the sideline making Bryce have to loop around him. This pulled the DE away from Tremble forcing Chuba to chip on the DE late and leaving the safety as a free defender. Chuba was suppose to double down on the DE to let Tremble peel off to the safety. This allows Bryce to set up his run to the inside or outside after the safety commits. You can also see Tremble walk over to talk to Chuba after the play and Chuba shrugs which tells me he didn't know what to do. The audible would have worked on 3rd and the dive would have worked on 4th. The plays were good calls and drawn up well. The question is why was Chuba unprepared for those plays in two critical back to back plays? I like Chuba as a 1st down RB and passing downs, but I have always seen him lacking the power and vision to be a short yardage power back. Chuba didn't come prepared for the Saints game or he was thrown into a position at the 3 spot that he was never prepared for.

Yeah man, that was a catch. I like to imagine the game isn’t rigged but it’s well known sports betting is ruining the sport. Unfortunately, most coaches plan for 3 phases of the game. But there is really 4, offense, defense, special teams, and special occasions. on special occasions the refs can influence the game, leaving you in positions your actively planning to stay out of and how you respond in those special occasions make or break the game. Other times it’s other reasons. But I like to hope that the right team, or right player can extend past those types of setbacks and still find a way. anywho, probably a pipe dream. But it’s how I see it.

nfl is setting up the sunday night game for the final week so it can be flexed.

They said there wasn't clear evidence to warrant the overturn. How would it have made a difference at that point in the game? https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-privately-admitted-to-erroneous-reversal-of-catch-by-panthers

Me, I'm sick of WWE channel hopping their PLEs and shows. Netflix now with Raw. USA still has Smackdown but you can't get it with Roku if you don't also have cable. Then they went from all the PLEs on Peacock to ESPN+ which required upgrading your Disney+ package. Then they frikkin' move Saturday Night Main Event with John Cena's retirement match back over to frikkin' Peacock, which we'd just cancelled two months prior because no PLEs there anymore. And there are fewer, but longer matches and its the same danged stories again and again. Rematch after rematch after rematch between PLEs. Fewer matches, fewer wrestlers, more promos (of lesser quality) and less action. It just seems like it's all fillers and re-runs. I'm tired of Cody Rhodes. I'm tired of Jey Uso. I'm tired of the two Brons. Shuffle the deck a bit guys, this game's getting stale.