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Hell, many still are. Clinging to that absurd Pro Bowl nomination like its an MVP and a Lombardi.

I don’t see his situation as all that bad? At all to be honest. A lot of it is they have shoved him down our throats for three years and they minimize or totally ignore the negatives. We’ve been getting Bryce sunshine pumped up our butts for a long time now - a lot of people are just tired of it. At the same time, this is a puff piece not a hard hitting critique. It isn’t like we should expect much different. But if you wonder why people are cynical about it, I don’t understand that. Seems to be a clear cause for it. When they see 1-3 finish when it was must win, but now he is our hero? That is the ultimate blue skying. Were there a few positives? Was progress made? Absolutely. But people put way too much sugar on it.

They dont have a choice. Tua's contract/dead cap (cough cough) leaves them no other choice

I'd be careful with that Sleeper site with accuracy. Hendrickson didn't go there, but they did get the Gary trade, but slightly off. Gary goes for a 4th in '27. I would've traded a 4th in 2027 for Gary. Wish we would've been in on this. Meh.

It looks like his biggest knock was his size / strength. A year with a nfl caliber strength coach ad nutritionist may have done him a world of good. FWIW (not much), he came out of Michigan State listed at 307 lbs and we have him at 314. I'll be watching him like a hawk this preseason. Overview A three-year starter with good feet and technique, Samac could be in consideration for a move-blocking rushing attack. He is strong at the point of attack but will have limitations against NFL power. He operates with good hand placement and nimble feet and is a demon once he’s on the move as a pulling center leading the way. He’s fluid and agile in the run game, but those traits fail to do as much for him in protection. Samac punches with inside hands but can struggle to widen his protection base in order to protect his edges. He has eventual starting talent as a run blocker but needs to add more mass and improve in pass protection to get there. Strengths Enters into initial contact with body control and accuracy. Plays with above-average hand placement and strong core. Gets chin tucked and hips rolled into seal and base blocks. Athleticism to race around the corner as a pulling lead blocker. Smooth and fluid working from block to block. Sees twists and snaps them off with sharp push. Weaknesses Not very explosive at the point of first impact. Fails to generate movement on secure block before climbing up. Will have issues handling the size of an NFL odd-front nose. Pulled off balance when defenders feel him leaning in protection. Gets beaten into the pocket by length and edge power.

Freeling is going to be good. Would be awesome if there at 19. Solid selections in R1-2.

Well they did that with shadeur and that didn't go well

I have been looking ay Otton because Canales knows him, because I have seen him make plays against us, and wouldn’t be a hot name that will cost a ton. Likely is another one. We don’t need to get Sidiq to address the position.

Too many holes just for the draft, no?

Dolphins are burning it down.

I'd take either of these guys over anybody in our TE room currently.

Yeah I am not beating the drum for Lloyd. I was beating it for a quality vet, and a top rated draftee, with a higher ceiling. 1st we aren’t getting another Luke. Likely not even another Morgan. But it won’t take that to drastically improve our ILB play. It has been worse than bad. I would invest more in the draft pick.

I don't want to be a doomer/pile-on, but Lloyd and Oweh are the top of the market at both of their positions, meaning it will be an overpay for us, and they have decent red flags. Oweh is a primary pass rusher and Lloyd considered a bust at the end of 2024. It's A LOT of money to throw around for those two. Oweh could be nice for us at 27 y/o while we continue to hunt for a real lethal pass rushing threat and/or develop Scourton/Princely. Similar to how Denver had Allen while developing Cooper and Bonnito. But you overpay for him at the top of his market, I don't think we need to stretch for Lloyd. Will say, if we pull it off, Lloyd & CJ Allen could work. Oweh and Scourton with Princely as our primary SPR is nice as well. I see what they're trying to do.

Agree. They don't need to go for the best FA at any position right now. Let's just get NFL average on the roster then draft our super stars.

But why are we singling out the QB? So none of the olinemen made bad plays giving up immediate pressure - up the middle by Corbett, Mays, Zavala, Hunt and Lewis and outside by Ickey. Didn't see them point that out. Jaycee didn't get torched by Olave in both Saints games? Didn't see them point that out. TMac dropped passes in big situations. Jimmy Horn dropped a pass in the playoffs. XL forgetting how to control his body on the field. Moehrig misplayed the pass that led to the game winning TD in the playoffs after our QB led us to a 4 point lead with less than 3 minutes to go in the game. Defensive pass rush was almost non-existent except for a few games. None of that was brought up and you don't seem to have issue with it. But every bad moment by the QB should be highlighted in a hype video? Bryce may not be the answer. Right now I don't think he is. But I feel like he can be if he is more aggressive passing downfield. Either way I'm not gonna crap on a guy that's really not in a great situation, because I expect him to correct all the wrongs and deficits of an entire team.

Yeah there's too much smoke around Lloyd with us. If it goes down, I just hope it's nothing insane that makes us need to restructure in the future. He's getting Roquan/Warner money, inflation adjusted. He's getting like $21.5 mil/yr. Get ready for that type of contract with him to beat others out. I just think some of these guys in the 9-15 mil range are of similar value (Edmunds, Chenal, Okereke, etc.). But if it happens, it happens.

We find out at noon

The Panthers are absolutely going to overpay this guy. What happened to drafting our core players Dan?

its getting crazy

why not us?

Sleeper App; it’s not official (nothing is) but reputable source

Dillon Gabriel is available, if we really want to commit to the whole "short qb" thing.

Where did you see that? Either way, I don't think Hendrickson is a good fit for the Panthers at this current stage.

I agree with you, the parallels are there. Bryce seems a little more put together in the head space than Kyler or Tua, but physically they are all undersized and physically limited QBs. Bryce isn't a slam dunk player to extend. I really hope the Panthers don't end up making a very expensive mistake.

Hendrickson to Dallas