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Both are losers in the end so same difference. I do get the better to watch football but I would much rather watch winning football. I would prefer both. A cast off QB out to prove it and a young guy to coach up. Treat them like professionals and see what happens.

If there was a backup out there that could lead a team to victory he wouldn't be a backup. Drafting your own qb is your only option. We are still in that perpetual cycle of looking for a qb. We have never been out of it since Cam was lost. So every team will be throwing picks at the problem until they hit on one. Look at all the vet starters outside of the handful that a franchise guys. Everyone of them their teams would love to replace with a young and much better rookie. Its the nature of the game.

How did the Lions turn things around? Is that a model to follow?

Some teams appear to run towards it. No one forced Miami to give Tua that contract. They would be better off with cast off at a lower cost IMO. I got Jax doing it but not Miami.

I'd rather stumble along in mediocrity than turn the game off one drive into the third quarter.

I don't think the roster is quite as bad as you make out - but yeah there's zero depth. BPA and move on to the second round, and realistically you could take that guy at literally any position.

All you do with a Geno is hit mediocrity so it could be worse than the Jag because the Jag gets you the next try vs Geno forcing you to stay with him and take shots on longershots later in thr draft. It may be better football to watch but it doesn't really get you past meh. As long as the staff keeps swinging then they could stumble into the next guy being the guy even on misses.

Completely agree with your post however the conspiracy theorist in me thinks harbaugh was using his "interest in Carolina" as leverage to get a better contract from the chargers

Depends what you're asking that QB to do. Can he provide you with consistent, competent QB play? We saw how different it looked with the corpse of Dalton back there. Replace that with a 27 year old who can still take an NFL hit and suddenly you're not a national embarrassment. You're always looking for the QB that takes you over the top, but it's not a sound strategy to keep on throwing first round picks at QBs that you simply know aren't that guy. If we'd built it how we have now and then dropped in Mayfield or Darnold (which I thought was the right way to approach our QB search by the way) we'd be singing a different tune right now.

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Sellers is the most intriguing QB prospect to me. Has the tools to be a Josh Allen/Cam Newton type player but he's going to need some more time Dante Moore is another guy I'm watching. Mendoza should also be watched I am out on Manning, Allar, Beck and Nuss as of now though The other option is to just draft Bain from Miami and get our d line right and sign a veteran this off-season. justin fields will probably be available lol

Mark Schlereth called an awful game on Sunday. Excuse after excuse for a QB that couldn't execute the basics. We're by no means a good football team, but we're not that bad that we should be getting blown out in New England. It's probably a team that can win 5-7 games, depending on the bounce of the ball with a competent NFL QB. Change that to a good NFL QB and you're looking at 7-9 games. There's no stripping back from here - you're too committed financially. Nobody is giving you anything for your two expensive OGs or you expensive RT. The value on Horn and Brown isn't that high either now they're on monster second contracts. You have to continue to build with what you have - there's the foundation of a good team here, but it's going to take several more Drafts to get there.

But he won the heisman in 2021 In 2022 he was second team all sec and for some reason sec male athlete of the year

I mean, that's literally what they said about him. One of the most impressive attributes Allen displayed in his maiden year in professional football was his tireless work ethic. He was a “first one into the building and last one out” player, always looking for extra coaching after practice or wearing out the battery studying film on his Bills-issued iPad. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2019/01/25/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-2019-training-jordan-palmer/2676780002/ You don't go from the guy I watched in college at Wyoming to the NFL MVP without absolutely working your ass off.

Most teams are forced to do that because only 3 or 4 of 32 are in that discussion.

If were going to restart....again.... I really hope Tepper hires some sort of a chief of football operations that he trusts. Somebody that is almost unfireable in their role. Some kind of owner liaison. Tepper has proven a complete inability to handle football ops. He has learned and gotten better, but it's still not working. The immediate name that comes to mind for me is Ron Rivera. He's in a similar role as GM at Cal right now. He knows this city, and he knows football and the pro game. I'm confident that Tepper has someone in Pittsburgh he would trust for this. I'm not sure our issues can be traced to any one thing or any one person (That doesn't own the team). Culturally, things aren't working. In my experience, it's hard to alter that unless you tear down the entire operation, root and stem. You can make an extremely valid excuse for nearly every single human that is deserving of accountability in our organization except the owner at this point. And that is a massive problem. You are what your record says you are, and under David Tepper, we've been the 2nd worst franchise in the NFL only to the New York Jets. That said, the more times we restart, the harder it is to get back to relevancy.

What other choice do they have? Taking someone's number 2 qb and expecting that guy to pull this team out of the basement is not a realistic expectation. It's like expecting Young to miraculously grow 6 inches and become a HOF qb. Thats not a sound strategy.

I kinda did this a few weeks ago - step one is to accept Bryce Young isn't the guy and to trade for one of the better backups in the NFL. That lets you actually assess what you have in Canales, the OLine, the WR corps etc. Right now you've got people running down Renfrow because he's a precision / timing receiver and is completely lost with Young throwing him the football. Or arguing our finesse Flex-TE, Sanders, isn't the guy because he's not winning contested catches.

Then you perpetuate the cycle. Imagine finally ridding yourselves of Bryce Young to Draft Bo Nix at #6 (or whatever we end up picking it). You're just slitting your own wrists as a franchise at that point.

Nah, that GM / HC combo is the difference in Buffalo. Allen puts them over the top for sure, but he's not the first guy in, last guy out.

Three seasons of builsh%t QB play is enough. No excuses anymore.

Having a weirdly phenomenal player at QB IS a culture changer.

The only option you have is to get a guy from the group that is available. As you are well aware that if you do not have a competent qb you have no shot at competing. If you are constantly picking in the top 10 you need a qb plain and simple. Like it or not we will be in the marker for a rookie and a veteran this offseason. Let's hope at least one of them is worth the roster spot.

We don't need a unicorn. Whilst you'd love to run in to a Brees, a Brady, a Peyton Manning - you don't need that. Eli Manning was perfectly fine. Allen is perfectly fine (he's absolutely not a culture changer, he's just a weirdly phenomenal player). We simply need a QB that gives us a shot each and every week - one that makes the D have to defend the whole field and hits that walk in TD to Renfrow / T-Mac that Young has repeatedly missed this season with his inability to throw the ball deep.

XL has had a rough go of it to start the season, but he was open a lot last year and looked better once Andy started at QB. It takes three years for WRs to really break out normally, but everyone is used to Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson types now. Look how good Chase looked last night. Also, go Jimmy this is the chance everybody has clamored for him to get.