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Good Lord this board has become a cesspool of negativity and where fandom becomes something twisted and unrecognizable.

Yeah, I could jump right into the unbelievable Bryce debate now that some people are trying to flip the script because Bryce Young has, at most, a handful of decent games as a pro, but that's going to work itself out. Suffice it to say that I've seen better QBs (with an s) in a Panthers uniform, and I've certainly seen better QBs be drafted while we're playing around with Bryce, one of them who beat the crap out of us already this season... Let's forget about Bryce (and his markedly underwhelming play since he's been here); I think that most sane fans will agree that drafting him was an error, but it happens. Sure, it doesn't happen to the tune of King's ransom---including your main receiver---but it happens. You bet, you lose. Speaking of receivers...and betting and losing... Oh, man, we drafted Xavier Legette. Yes, just like with Bryce, I've entered "the dark side." Some Huddlers were telling us from the beginning, and they were right. But, I'm not apologizing for waiting to see what a guy's got before making my decision on him. X was a one-year wonder at South Carolina who parlayed some really nice production that season, a great personality and thick country accent, into becoming a first round pick (but only in Carolina). For Dan Morgan and company, He was a big swing that has turned into a big whiff (and I can still feel the ill breeze from that one). Sh¡t happens, right? Well, not so fast. Ladd McConkey was the decidedly more polished receiver who was literally ready to hit the ground running as soon as stepping onto the field as a pro. Ladd was never the biggest guy (though not the smallest), but he was the guy that could run routes, always seemed to get open---no question---and had the same speed as X, but with legit quickness and nuanced shake and bake. But Dan chose the project. He chose the guy where the game speed looks more like a tractor trailer than a 5.0 mustang. Look, I've supported X (just like Bryce) many many a day, but no more. Now I'm not saying that I won't root for the guy. Just like with Bryce, he seems like a great kid. But as far as giving excuses for the kid, and, perhaps more importantly, waiting for some miraculous breakout, I'm done with that. I've seen enough. You don't draft a project for a project. And yes, Bryce had proven to be a project after his first season. In my mind, drafting a supposedly number one receiver that needs lots of development for a starting quarterback that needs immediate help to try and further his development is not going to lead to good things. Pick the surest guy. Or at least pick the one who appears to be the surest guy, because picking can be tricky... especially when you're too busy tricking yourself.

Winning ain't gonna make my eyes lie to me. Context matters, and it will always matter in the game of football.

That TD pass to Legette against Miami. Elite. The play where Bryce rolls right to buy time until Tet can reverse field. Bryce pumps as multiple defenders close in. He barely gets it away before he takes a big time hit. Beautiful off platform throw and great catch by Tet. The second TD to Tet against Dallas where Bryce dips and turns his shoulder in to evade the pass rusher. Resets and finds Tet in the end zone. Dude embodies the Keep Pounding mantra.

I’ve been happy that the team is winning but I’ll probably never trust BY. I can’t wait to move on but I hope he wins a lot of games in the meantime.

He threw too flat of a ball. XL was wide the fug open. Better throw and a guy with broken ribs doesn’t have to fully lay out. And that wasn’t the last throw of the game. It was second and four. Bryce ate poo the next two plays. and if Chuba hadn’t fumbled they’d probably have just kept running him. Then we’d have people arguing that Bryce throwing one pass and Chuba running 5-6 times was actually a gwd because….

This is the best post in years, from a guy probably around when it was Carolina Growl a million years ago. Appreciate your time and input!

This was soooo spot on about everything from the board environment to the QB guru extremist terrible takes. I wish more people on this board would elevate their energy and knowledge so we could have a fun board again. Cheers to better Panther Fan Culture.

Give me Mitchell Evans over T Sanders in this run heavy offense any day of the week.

What's up gents, the OGs remember me, the guy who single-handedly gave the Panthers the greatest uniform in history moniker. Not too long after that I got involved with Pro Football Focus (pre-Collinsworth acquisition) and ended up taking backseat here to preserve some objectivity. But from a distance I noticed a lot. After the end of the Cam era this place devolved into the most un-fun, petty, negative cesspool of whining and bitching that has ever graced the internet. The worst part of it all is that the level of discussion turned into the most ill-informed, hot-take, unnuanced crap, rife with people talking out of their posteriors as if they have any clue about what they are watching. Once you get into the professional side of the sport and actual film rooms, you start to understand there's an absurd number of moving parts to pretty much every snap and the details you are privy to are truly only half the picture. The absolute most important thing I learned from being part of professional level football analysis is that quarterbacking is literally the most intricate and difficult position in all of professional sports, and that the NFL itself is struggling to develop any workable model that allows them to understand what makes one succeed vs what makes one fail. Because of this paradox it has also made the quarterback position itself grossly overvalued from a fan and media standpoint, creating an absurd fixation on the results delivered by a single player who has to rely on the contributions of everyone around them. This also drives the dreaded inflation of QB salaries that inevitably cause even elite teams to lose key talent all to pour cash into the one player supposed to be able to single-handedly elevate the entire team (and defense and special teams and coaching and ownership by some mysterious proxy), yet without those same players even talented teams can wander the wilderness searching for the right guy to take advantage of their talent window. The discussions the last few years around Bryce has personified this insanity, as this board has devolved into some sort of electronic civil war between the hyperbolic Young supporters and the vitriolic Bryce haters. The reality, like practically everything in this world, is somewhere in the middle. He has traits that can absolutely elevate a team with creativity, play recognition, off-arm angle throws, mental toughness, etc. He's also physically limited, with mostly "good-enough" qualities for most situations that a professional quarterback is asked to do, and will never be an overpowering physical force like pre-injury Cam. But "good-enough" physicality represents a large majority of championship-winning quarterbacks, even in the modern era. There's a reason the corpse of Peyton Manning took the chip from elite physical specimen Cam, because the team surrounding him was talented enough to get him there, while we all know Cam was the driving force of that 2015 team. That's no knock on him, that's just how the game of football tends to work: the more complete team usually wins. The summary is this: if this team lives or dies solely on the performance of its quarterback, then it is absolutely a paper tiger even if he plays brilliantly week in and out. There are no superheroes in this sport, there are only conduits that proxy the collective efforts of much of the team around them. And no one alive can tell you how the position is played perfectly, it's all a confluence of circumstance and what unique collection of traits each player brings to the position, which can never be truly recreated season after season, even for the same player on the same team. If this place remains a raging hellscape of idiotic hot takes I will happily remove myself again and do something more productive for yet another decade, but maybe's there hope that we can all get back to the old adage, and keep pounding.

Really impressed how the bottom six have looked the past couple games

1st ️ Big Bussi - 17 saves, .941 save % 2nd ️ Logan Dankoven - 2 assists, 3 SOG, +3, 16:25 TOI 3rd ️ Ghost Bear - 1 goal, 3 blocked shots, +2, 18:48 TOI

Is Kucci out of a job?

Bussi gets the win!

Thank you for your service Mr Bussi

As long as the same criteria is used for every quarterback in the league I am fine with his game winning drives. No one is going to overlook the W-L record the panthers have over the time Bryce has been here. The game winning drives are a credit to the players on the field, not just Bryce. If just one receiver had not made a crucial catch when targeted in the last 6 minutes of the game we would be having a different conversation this week.

Canes through three games look faster and more physical than last year.

Hey so we’re doing pretty good. Alright.

You going to do this nitpicking adjustment for every other QB's GWD stats? No? Then everything you said is irrelevant.

He has been awesome once we got him away from Orlov last year haha

He's not here for puck support.

Nikishin. Mother f##k, he hits. Took that man's optimism away...

Jesus Nikki just sent the shark to the moon hahaha

Now we got a fight!!!! After Nikishin laid the boom

Tulsky put together a machine