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Really love him as a college qb. His passing makes me question whether he could become an NFL starter. I would pass.

The defense was not good by any means but the two units aren't doing each other any favors. I don't think Evero is particularly good and it appears he may be allergic to youth. If it wasn't for the fact we constantly hear about how our drafts/acquisitions are his idea (and then they fail to pan out) I wouldn't hold nearly as much against him as I do, especially because of spending. Fwiw, the offense is atrocious and it starts at the head of the unit, but many of us have also been very down on XL as well.

We spent a lot of draft capital on Bryce when we had holes all over the roster. Now we still have holes all over the roster but just added the biggest hole of all in the need for a new qb. There is no quick fix. What is needed is a disciplined and patient approach to building back the roster. Unfortunately, we don't have that kind of owner. People on here were actually talking about trading two firsts and a quality player for Micah Parsons. For what? A slightly better D?

Are you kidding me? Two huge money OGs, the highest paid OT in football, a top 10 pick at LT, a top 10 pick at WR, another 1st round WR, a highly paid RB, an offensive minded head coach. We've done everything we could to put Bryce in a position to succeed and that has left us strapped for resources on defense. I think that's the point of this thread and it's honestly probably a fair point. And I should add that I'm not complaining about spending all those resources trying to surround Bryce with talent on offense. When you make the move we did to get Bryce you're all in. It would be dumb NOT to do everything you can at that point to make sure your investment pans out, unfortunately we dumped all our money into a meme coin that went belly up.

Throw all of last year's numbers out as an outlier - he wasn't allowed to field 11 NFL players. How do his numbers stack up then? Genuine question by the way.

DB was getting washed early. Even in 1v1 situations. I think he figured it out later, but they definitely gave him more breaks in this game than I've ever seen him take. There was a play where an olineman rolled B. Brown up. The next play he absolutely wrecked the play. Need that BB to show up early on Sunday.

I think Morgan has had the right general idea. The problem has been in execution. Bryce year 1, there were myriad issues from roster talent to coaching and scheme, but the offensive line was particularly glaring. So they went out and fixed the o-line by signing Hunt and Lewis. That fix actually seems to have been at least moderately successful. Last year, pass rush was a major issue. So they invested along the defensive line and at edge. The problem is, they either expended too many resources over correcting—partially because in free agency, when you’re a shitty franchise, you have to overpay to get talent in the door—or they didn’t make the right picks. It’s probably too early to pass judgment on the free agent class or draft picks as it’s only been one game. So we’ve got a small sample size and rookie edges may take time to develop. But if game 1 is any indication, they didn’t solve the problem.

This is getting out of hand again. I swear some of yall just look for reasons to call out the QB, in an extremely thinly vieled "OFFENSIVE CAP HIT" statement. All of that is offensive line. It was an overreaction to how horrible the guards were in 2023, where guys were starting multiple games that will never take a snap in the NFL again. Speaking of 2023... where did the offensive cap rank then? Where are those WRs playing in the league now? How much are the WRs, TEs and RBs making compared to the rest of the NFL? We have two, 1st round WRs on the roster. And they are the only WRs on the roster picked before the 4th round. One shouldn't have been a first rounder, he's only in his second season, AND he was literally outplayed by an UDFA rookie WR last year - that is currently on IR. The other WR picked before the 4th round has only played one game as a pro. QB play needs to improve. Absolutely no friggin doubt about that. But, come on. That dude has not been dealt a fair hand, no matter how many ways you try to spin it. Let's hope he figures out how to make chicken salad out of the chicken poo this team has served him his entire time here. Hoping that this org finds another Cam Newton is not really a realistic expectation.

Put Young on any team and they would still have to run a limited scheme for him. Put any talent around him and they still have to carry him. IDGAF if we trade him inside the NFCS next year. That is how little I fear ever playing him.

Did you watch him last year? He was one of the most electric players in football.

It's a failing of most first time HCs. I get an OC not being a defensive expert but they do play the other side every week so it always amazes me that poop slides so often. First year? Sure but as time goes on they need to be a HC and have a balanced and good team in the end. They went offense for that reason and the QB issues the team had. They had to go WR again this year because they failed so hard last year at that position in the first. That's on both the HC and GM on that miss IMO. This year they went out and got a bunch of free agents and drafted more on the D. It just doesn't appear they did it well again. Add in keeping Evero and missing out on an expensive free agent, thankfully but it would have lessened the cap gap in spending, it's not like they didn't try. It's more of an issue of competency than cap. Building around Evero after last year is damning for thr GM and HC. That's the biggest issue. They just didn't do any of it well. Now they have some younger talent and I don't think there is a decent coach in that house.

Inside linebacker is basically non existent. And that goes against everything that has been Carolina Panthers for a couple decades now. And that is just one such area that has suffered as we have paid through the nose to build up our offense around a bad investment.

Thats why its going to suck spending another top 10 pick on a qb instead of an elite Lb, pass rusher or whatever. but it what it is and you have to have a qb to win in this league

We also have an offensive coach and put most of our draft capital there. We all knew the D would be bad...its hard to see an O that cant score more than 10 points. Good luck keeping opposing teams to 9 or less points.

I am someone who is skeptical at best of Evero at this point in time. And in hindsight he probably should have been replaced. But you cannot simply dismiss that kind of spending gap and then whail about the defense as if that is our identity at this point in time. Yes we used to be a hard nosed defensive team but that hasn't really been the case for some time now. And just to be clear. I was not the first one to mention the starting QB. At this point just be up front and acknowledge you are just a propaganda machine icege.

Thanks for the work in putting this together! Excellent read.

DB was definitely rusty and wasn't attracting the double blocks that he had in the past. Seahawks fans were saying afterwards that the Panthers found out the hard way that BB3 doesn't play well against the run, but he posted a better run defense grade than pass defense. I'm hoping that with a familiar foe coming up in Arizona that BB3 can settle in more (especially with Turk out for the next few weeks).

They did seem to improve as the game progressed though. I think Derrick Brown needed time to get back up to speed. B. Brown needed to get pissed off too. Confident they'll be better this Sunday. Nick Scott just doesn't move the needle. Ransom can at least give you what he gives you. At least.

How does spending rankings determine sole fault? Outside of the folks that want this to be exclusively Bryce Young's fault, most rational fans understand that the offense and defense combined for a stinker. Bryce didn't play well enough, Nijman didn't play well enough, Corbett didn't play well enough, Legette didn't play well enough, the TEs didn't play well enough, the entire defense minus the CBs didn't play well enough. The only players that played well enough were TMac, Jaycee, Mike Jackson, Hunt, DLew, and Chuba.

Yep. Blaming Bryce for everything right now is like saying that one peanut is what makes the whole turd stink.

I’m far from an expert here, but is the system really fine? The inability to stop the run is a long standing thing with Evero. I have no faith in him or his system.

The thread was locked because it's Tinderbox material and a link was provided to the thread in the TB.

I wonder how much of that is a combination of swapping out over half of the starters from last season and one less week of preseason for teams to get on the same page. We usually see defenses ahead of offenses at the beginning of the season, so the defense starting slow is a concern. It was particularly frustrating seeing guys that have been in the system for a year or longer failing to execute. I like Nick Scott as a person and appreciate his ability to communicate the scheme to the others, but Lathan Ransom has so much more upside. Speaking of Ransom, I'm hoping between today and tomorrow to review all of the rookies on defense since they didn't have many snaps to begin with.

https://overthecap.com/positional-spending We are 10th in offensive spending and 28th in defensive spending. Much has been said about both sides of the ball in the last several days. Some want to blame the defense. The numbers speak volumes. Discuss.