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It isn’t weird if you have read the board for years and haven’t seen it. What’s weird to me is people that take that to heart and cling to it for years when if was said it couldn’t have been meant literally. 5 yards… right. That!s like someone claiming he can throw a pass 70 yards, well I know that’s just bullshit. And I am not bringing that up as some kind of ammo in an argument.

He is a textbook case of a young player trying too hard. Bryce wasn't doing him any favors with ball placement the first four games either. They are missing some chemistry that they previously had. Last year Legette showed tremendous upside while making some common rookie errors, and I think that upside is still there. He's got to get his sea legs under him.

I mean, look, we aren't likely to be a playoff team nor a contending team. Could he have netted us another win? Maybe. It's not a big deal. We need to build for the future and that is the path we seem to be on.

Tim Donnelly had a good point about teams that overpay QBs. There are a dozen or so true franchise altering $50m a year QBs. We don't want to be in the Jags shoes of paying $50m for Tlaw when he's not proven to be that dude. Bryce is playing like a $20-30m a year QB (on an extension/market). Someone who can play within a system, make some plays, but isn't going to lift your team out of the dumpster. I don't think it would be a good idea to give Bryce that kind of raise. 5th year option, today, I'm down for it. Give it time. If he does stink after the option, that's a much easier cap pill to swallow than the remains of a fugged up $50m contract... If Dan and Brad sign off on that...well...it's their butts!

On that same chart, slot me in between Teddy and Clausen. But more toward Teddy than Clausen. I think if we literally made a list of every Panther QB, that's where I think the collective group slots him.

It’s more fun when the team wins but they have to move on from him. You can’t go to a SuperBowl when your qb can’t elevate the team around him.

The sample size is too small right now. Sure it looks good because we've only allowed 50 yards the past two weeks combined. Cool, but not sustainable. Teams will get you. It happens in the NFL. The eye ball test is that our D is playing MUCH better. Are they world beaters? Nope. But they are playing so much better than last year. Putting the Dot on Wallace is having a LOT of positive effects for our LB play. I'll take being a below average team right now as opposed to the dumpster fire we had for years.

Maybe people need to have a reasonable filter to help them differentiate exaggeration for effect from serious claims.

It’s not new. That particular claim has largely disappeared because it has become untenable, but a few games into his rookie year when the playbook/gameplan/personnel/everything was terrible there was endless claims, posts, even threads made that Bryce Young was physically incapable of throwing the ball 20 yards downfield in the NFL. It was also argued that physically throwing the ball 20 yards in the NFL was somehow different than college. Once he threw the ball 20 yards, the goal posts moved to 30 yards, etc. I’m not going to use the search function for you, the point wasn’t as much that one claim as it was that that was one claim out of many that has made it very difficult to have a reasonable discussion here.

I mean, I can get a ball downfield 40 yards. There would be a couple massive issues with me doing it. My ball placement would be off the charts bad. Second, for me to get it 40 yards I'm gonna have to moon it......which would give DBs the opportunity to make plays on balls that wouldn't exist if a better QB were throwing it. Which is all an exaggerated explanation of the Bryce issue. To many play the literal game w/ Bryce when it comes defending him. Every NFL QB likely can loft one up around 50 yards. Every QB in the NFL can't get a ball 30 yards downfield in the same windows. Or the same ball placement. That's the Bryce issue. But I also think mixed into that is just his QB DNA. Take a young Brees, it was in his DNA to stress defenses and takes shots. He would flat out be Delhomme-ish at times. Which is coverage and assignment altering. Brees would throw balls into triple coverage 40 yards downfield. Is that smart? Sometimes it is. Not because the play gets made but you force the secondary to play honest.

Tbf were not going to the superbowl this year so the development of our young wr is invaluable As a side note 5 of our wr are in their 2nd year or less ( t Mac, Coker, tremayne, horn, x) It's def a promising youth movement

Does he? Brees used to obliterate us because he always seemed to know where the blitzer was coming from and threw behind it. I've seen Young get blindsided by a blitzer more times than I care to count. So either he does nowhere near enough film study or he doesn't understand what he's looking at when he's on the field. Either way, it's a long way removed from the 'galaxy brained processor' they sold themselves on.

Please no

The sideline throw to Horn last Sunday would have been a TD if horn didn't have to almost completely stop on his route to catch it. Its not soley based off the fact that the ball got there, its the fact that receivers have to constantly adjust on routes to make these catches. He has also made other similar throws this season already. You are either blind to it or not truly paying attention to what you are watching.

Here's how Young would 'develop' arm strength - setting his fuging feet. His footwork is atrocious. He throws from his tiptoes when he's in the pocket - which means he gets absolutely no hip rotation or core into his throws. They're all 'arm' throws, which is why they all look so weak. He has made some good throws when he's on the run - y'know when he can get his body into the throw - but even those are regulation throws I'd expect any NFL QB to make.

AT got what he deserved. Be gone and enjoy those 4 catches and the bench and your pay cut

we have been bad offensively basically every game Rico Dowdle hasn't gone full Tecmo Bowl Bo Jackson on folks.

Strongly disagree with the premise here. Without getting too into it, the biggest gripe for many has always been his footwork and pocket presence. Shallow drops, happy feet, bad awareness - his overall technique is highly unconventional and not beneficial to his size/frame. His upper body gets mad out of sync with his lower, drops back parallel to the LOS, erratic behavior. When you take that to the NFL level, you get swallowed up. And he got shellshocked and started bailing way too soon on plays. Unnecessary throwaways when he should step UP into the pocket and hit. He got away with it in school because sooo much of his work was out of structure or quick hits to Jamo. He was able to not bail early and stick in the pocket this last game. He also was dropping deeper than he usually does to create sight lanes. He can’t really outrun DLs so he needs to create that space via drop to survey properly. When he does these bs skip hops in the gun, he barely drops and is flooded. He needs to stay active with his feet but learn to step into the pocket more. His average arm when he’s not doing this right turns Pennington esque.

Theilen is about to retire. I dont care about him sticking around. Lets say you did and he retires at the end of the year. Now that connection is gone next year and it's just another excuse for regression that was just held off.

Short term is the key point. Those first two games without him where pretty bad. They still aren't back to where they were offensively but they are getting better. Hopefully Tet continues to improve and Coker eventually returns - and stays healthy.

First 4 - 122 rushing yards per game allowed Last 2 - 25 per game allowed. I mean, to me at least, that is drastically different. That's almost 100 yards difference on the ground per game. I mean, Penix just sabotaged Atlanta. That's football. They ran for 130 despite not even getting a chance to get into their run game thanks to Penix. Jags went for 200. Every team the first 4 weeks went over 100+ except AZ and AZ had more than both the last 2 weeks combined in that game. D is clearly better than last year. But within this season, the last 2 weeks, have really just been sort of wonky. We aren't what the last 2 weeks says on the ground offensively or defensively. No team in NFL history is what we statistically did the last 2 weeks.

It worked for the Vikes, they are gonna turn a huge profit this year.