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I guess I look at the draft a little differently than most. To draft position only means how many players were taken before your pick. It doesn't mean the player I selected was automatically worth being selected at that time to me or anyone else. It will not make him better than he is or will be just because I picked a day 2 player on day 1. Does that make any sense at all or do I need another toke and try again?

Yep. We I mean different posters maybe even you too touched on this when I was on a rant about ‘SEC success equals NFL success’ as pertained to pre draft Bryce evaluation. I was ball parking most SEC defenses as having one or two future NFL draftees. You are reinforcing the actual reality here.

Only player deserving of a good grade was T-Mac after that fiasco. And, if punters count, Sam Martin for flipping the field some. No one on the OL deserved a lot of praise, even considering I charged 5 of the 7 sacks to Dalton yesterday. Surprised a few defensive guys didn't get 0.0 grades.

No, it's ridiculous the amount of homerism. Like some of the sunshiners here, the team is not always right, the players are not always perfect, etc. Be reasonable.

You work for the Panthers?

I actually think going to schools like Bama that have top recruiting classes hurts QBs. They're so heavily loaded that it's hard to really evaluate them because the competition level is rarely even. Of the 63 SEC draftees out of 16 schools in Bryce's class, Bama and Georgia each had 10. That's 30% between 2 schools, so unless those 2 schools are facing off, the caliber of competition isn't near even. I actually prefer taking a lesser overall ranked QB who may have faced more competition because you have a better idea of what he's really like on an even playing field. This isn't a slight at Bryce. Mac Jones and many other Bama QBs don't live up to the hype either

You and and I and many others have come to that determination, but I do t think the decision makers are caught up to us yet. They have to be hit over the head with the truth. Now I will say that by the same token if I am wrong, I need him to hit me over the head before I will pay attention.

Well, it is based on cost invested. It's draft pick. Would it not be reasonable to assume a 1st round QB should have a higher threshold for "success" than QB's drafted in rounds after him? It is a measure of amount invested versus amount gained That is fine but I need those levels for the categories you are suggesting adding so I can test them. That is why I asked. Give me: 1st Round: Completion Percentage Minimum, TD:INT minimum 2nd Round: Completion Percentage Minimum, TD:INT minimum So on and so forth. I have to at least test them and see if they even move the current model at all. Also, as I asked before, are you suggesting these(Comp% and TD:INT) and hard minumums or, like the OP, additional things to elevate a QB to being a "success?"

Nah I think its existentially old and cynical (this forum) vs young and naive (Panthers sub). This board are full of 35+ yos that have been watching this team for 20+ years. We've seen this before. Also, with Reddit subs, brigading is easy. I think Bryce getting drafted brought a bunch of Alabama fans. A Patriots fan that I talk to in another sub said that Alabama took over the Patriots sub when Mac Jones got drafted.

Well it is. I'm Satan's accountant.

Bryce had enough starts and chances…..to know his ceiling is just far too low to be a starting QB/plan. He is a backup QB

According to the press conference today it sounds like Rico is going to be the RB1

There was a thread on there from a few years ago and they talk about this place like it’s total hell.

Maybe we're the ones that are bananas. Ignorance is bliss.

Im sitting in the corner shouting out my unwanted opinions myself. Kung is going to get irritated with me soon. I'm going to go watch the game and reread his original post when I'm sober.

Yeah I have seen more than enough of it but the idea is maybe he can upgrade his game or alternately, provide evidence that he can’t.

You could tell I didn’t really do my homework just jumped in with a couple of ideas, good job. Drinking tonight so, maybe in the morning.

Also you are trying to predict the future but you need to start with a baseline for each draftee with their college career production. Maybe you've already done that or are pulling it from somewhere else. Just throwing thing's out there to consider.

I’ll chip in for more kibble for the hamsters…

I called "seven games" from the get-go, and we just may get there, but I didn't expect blowout losses. I expected to see some marked improvement, especially offensively, in losses and wins, and that's not necessarily what's happening.

We have seen it though and how Bryce deals with it. It’s most of his starts. Even in wins like Atl and the Jets….bottom tier pass game virtually every week but yeah, Rico is the best RB. We should basically be the Wilks Panthers even when down (which got us back into the Miami game). We got back into that game by not asking Bryce to

Ehlers is feeding Jarvis and Aho.

Looks like, neutered runs downhill.

That's what is so confusing to me. Why do the categories have to be mutually exclusive based on draft round? It would seem to me a 7th rounder that starts 30 games with a 62% career completion percentage is a success, but I would say the same for a 3rd rounder too. Alright, career numbers: 1st round: Completion%: 64 or greater, 3:1 TD/INT or greater 2nd round: Completion%: 62 or greater, 2.5:1 TD/INT or greater 3rd round: Completion%: 60 or greater 2:1 TD/INT or greater 4th-7th round Completion %: 58 or greater; 1.5 TD/INT or greater

I got it and poo is awful…. I thought it was old people thing so when I got it, I thought I had allergic reaction to muscle relaxer… Went to a doctor too late and it spread and caused serious nerve inflammation. The pain is absolutely fuging unbearable. I can barely move around. Found out folks in 20s-30s recently had a spike in shingles for no known reason. Shots are only given to folks 50+ unless already had shingles.