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I don't think the "good teams don't go for it on 4th down" is ALWAYS accurate. Some of this is newer football philosophical changes. Look at the Lions, for instance. They are always in the top 10 for most 4th down attempts under Dan Campbell. I will say that it does say a lot that the Panthers have been inside the top 10 in 4th down attempts every year except 2018 and 2021 since Tepper has been the owner. All losing seasons......

No thank you. Blue line is mess as is. Need actual defense. Not more offensive Dman.

Dart and Skattabo together will be both of their downfalls. They're just going to feed off each other's stupidity and immaturity until they're head butting more CTE into each other in their assisted living facilities.

Plus he's OOU. (That's his girlfriend not his mom lol)

Yea I scrolled the entire front page of the threads and there was nothing about it before this one. Idk why it needs a whole thread when there’s already one having to do with the dc

Ah yes then the real golden age can begin.

Yep. I know there was some conditioning conversations in the offseason/early in the year, but he's grown and proven it. Throw him 3-4 years at 5-6 million per right now and see what he says. Essentially Tet's contract equivalent right now. He gets life changing money after coming out as a UDFA, and is up for another contract when he's 28 giving him another shot to cash in.

That's absurd. Nobody goes to the mall anymore.

I think his wife takes over pretty frequently if catch my drift

His wife will take over, if she hasn't already.

All year long it reminded me of Washington last year. Constantly going for it (and getting it) on 4th down. It worked...until it didn't this year and Jayden was hurt. Washington got exposed for being a bad team that got lucky this year. That...does not make me feel good going into next year unless we see some changes.

This nice I guess. Probably should look at the body of work instead. Just saying.

The positive side is that we likely have between 10-15 years more of Tepper at max. This will eventually end. Who knows what that chapter will entail?

Ive never seen a qb with his kind of arm talent willfully seek out out not just contact, but head first contact. Like baker will seek out DBs to put his shoulder into. Dart dives like a tackling defender in NFL blitz 98. He had good coaches in his college career, and Mike Kafka is not a dumb guy. Surely there have been attempts to get him to stop and he’s always just like “yolo bitch”

All indicators are that the Giants are set to make another bad hire at HC. I think Dart is just generally kind of stupid. You hear him talk and I really get the sense he is not one of these brainy, analytical QB's. Extremely skeptical of him. They probably should have kept him on the bench at least 2-3 years to let him learn the position.

I personally don't believe Tepper has changed that much. The only thing new is his stepping back from the public eyes as much as he can. I guess you could add exhibiting a bit my restraint or should I say patience with this crew. But that will only last so long as a leopard don't change his spots. He will fire everyone if they only win 5 games next season.

But but but...8-9, bro! But NFC South champs!!

In this case it’s just people arguing dishonestly to give their boy more time. if there was a qb worth it, well the panthers can’t afford to draft him if the panthers could afford to draft him, then all of a sudden they’d have bigger needs etc similar to them challenging who’d be an improvement from FA, even though we don’t even know who’s going to be a FA. Also funny since history has shown basically any free agent would be an improvement.

Dart is going to get a new HC and probably a good one in this cycle, if someone can convince him to stop taking these big hits on scrambles he might develop into something.

Supposedly Dave is very hands off on the defense or so he has said. I do think that does speak to some of those coaching limitations. There is an entire thread on this, BTW.

That language gives “hey man this isn’t my call” energy.

True! I think this is why we didn’t let them get to a 3rd down on our final defensive stand.

It's the Lane Kiffin thing. He is QB poison. TBH, I think history will prove you correct on Dart.

It's the same with the OL group. Why would you not continually churn that group? Worst case scenario, you are moving players because you can't pay everyone. I am too, TBH. I guess it's really more Dan Morgan than Dave. I am nervous that this "alignment" isn't skepticism but belief. I don't think Tepper will make the right decisions the next cycle. I think once again it will be either HC or GM being fired out of cycle and then another merger of the minds with the existing entitites. I am not of the "Oh Tepper has learned!" crowd. I think he has learned to not be such a fug head in front of company and that's about it.