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I REALLY like Dean but curious how he fits here with current personnel and scheme. He screams a Dan Morgan type of leader for the defense and is everything you want in a leader of the defense. 5'11" isn't ideal but Bolton is also an undersized backer that is very important to that KC defense.

Guys being as good as they're ever gonna be on day one of their rookie seasons is quite a trend for a lot of Panthers draft picks. Our drafting has sucked, but so has our talent development.

Some good points, but I disagree. To me, the goal is to win the division and make the playoffs. If that's made easier some years than others, so be it -- but I enjoy the discussion on either side.

Happy to hear someone bring up our DLine. People focus on Luke and TD on the 2015 Team but they would not have been as dominant without Star and Short.

I hope not. Needs change year to year. If we get to the 3rd round and there is a wide receiver we had graded in the 2nd, but our "need positions" are graded as 4th round or lower, I would really hope we draft the receiver. The fan base may flip out, but the goal is to bring in the best players and look out for the long term success of the team.

I think tonight says a lot about this team. Coming out of All Star Weekend, hosting a team that is very good, who they just beat on the road in Houston. Last year this team would come out and lay an absolute egg in this spot, hoping things have changed.

This team as currently constructed with regards to roster and staff could easily finish with a top 5 pick next year. We currently have the 4th longest odds to win the Superbowl, tied with Tennessee, who was dreadful this year in every way. This past season was "fun" with all the ups and downs, but there was nothing about the season that convinced me Bryce Young, Dave Canales or Dan Morgan are on the right path for long-term organizational success.

I think there actually is a strategy to dealing with the "problem." At least IMO. Figure out the success rate of position by round, where the average of each is drafted, and which colleges produce contributing position players regardless of draft position. Then build your draft board like you always would based off talent. See how players fit into the draft predictor, and then track how it unfolds. All those little pieces can help you figure out who to take and where they might fall and get you on the front end of runs instead of chasing scraps. Fitterer could never figure this out and was the worst at reading a draft I have ever seen.

There are some real dog poop tackles starting on teams out there. While he may not ever be a top tier tackle, he has been more than serviceable I'm my opinion and offers great flexibility. We should be making him a good offer. OL is where you should be more than willing to invest dollars.

Icky was always a weak pass blocker come out of college. Cross was the premier pass blocker in that class. Much easier to learn run blocking than pass blocking. I never expected Icky to ever become an elite pass blocker. If he was average, that's all I really expected. I did expect him to be an absolute mailer in the run game.

We aren’t in danger of being in the basement anymore and if we keep drafting well we could get to the playoffs after a while. I don’t mind if we get a new QB and coach eventually but we are “stable” and I’m grateful for it.

I prefer 9-8. Reason being, winning season shows overall improvement and is the 1st step to establishing a winning culture. Backing into the playoffs with a losing record doesn't show you earned anything. It's the product of a weak division. If playoffs were based off records, most likely you're not going because another team(s) have a better record. Chances are too, the next season, you're going to have a tougher schedule and a couple of those bounces that went your way are going to go the other direction and it's another losing season and no playoffs. There have been 5 teams to get into the playoffs with a losing record. The 2014 and 2025 Panthers are 2 of those teams. Losing record trip 3 isn't exactly something I would be proud of doing. We have 9 playoff appearances so far, 2 of them simply because we won a shitty division. Another one would mean 30% of our appearances are only because we were the least stinky turd. That's a stat I'd want to flush.

I think he is a guy we can't let walk. They will overpay him to get him to stay, it won't be crazy but I doubt people here will be happy about it.

Speaking of potential trades, Person said in his article today that Dalton could be a low cost trade candidate to free up some cap. Really it makes sense if you are a QB needy team and are planning on taking a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round

I just don't think Chambliss is a big factor in the draft one way or the other. There's a reason why he sued to get another year of NCAA eligibility. He can make more playing college ball than he can in the NFL. Just one of those fuys who is a really good college QB but doesn't project as a likely NFL starter and system fits might limit his value as a backup. Most teams are looking for a backup QB that's plug and play in their system. Sure, you might dial back the scope of the offense with the backup but you don't want to have to fundamentally change your offensive approach if the backup comes in.

I've often wondered this of other fans: would you prefer 9-8, no playoffs, 8-10 seed in NFC, or 8-9, NFC South title, playoffs, 4-seed in NFC? Does an above-.500 record make a season better than a losing record but playoffs? Basically do you prefer 2007 Browns to 2014 Panthers?

That's crazy but it makes sense.

Just pack some weight on him and move him to TE/hybrid.

You draft bpa according to need

Yeah well thats after they drafted for need to build up to elite.Its quite a luxury to aspire to.

Maybe...but that should be according to scouting them not the school.

FWIW, this is a good article about the conciliation prizes if we miss out on Lloyd. https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/onsi/jacksonville-5-free-agent-linebackers-could-target-replace-devin-lloyd

You guys are fuging insufferable.