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How they treated the Baker/Sam thing was a joke. He was used as a DE on the PS. He may not have been any good here had he really been given a chance to succeed, but that whole situation was a clusterfug. I don't blame him for wanting out of this Tepper led poo show.

Might be the only terms on which both sides could agree. Morgan probably wanted 3 years and Mays' agent probably pushed him for a prove-it deal. Immediately leaking the desire to test the market only furthers this notion.

I'm sure someone can look it up on this board, but back when we jettisoned Darnold, I'd tried to defend him saying that he was still a young QB with a high ceiling, he was just surrounded here with bad coaching and a poorly built team. I said he'd see a Super Bowl before we did. And people just laughed. Same folks who said Baker Mayfield sucked and was a washout. Same folks who live to slam Bryce. (And honestly, my decision on Bryce is still hanging out there, undecided, swaying from yes to no). I'm not saying I know a damned thing about raising up a QB, but I know that I'm not as clueless as some others. Some of these kids that come out as top draft picks get thrown into the fire on a badly built team, a desperate lower tier HC, OCs and QB coaches that are struggling to move up the ladder and an injured, mad fanbase that wants immediate results or it's to the chopping block with some kid that just had the temerity to do well in college football and then come to the podium when their name was called.

I like Pat Coogan. Was a fan when he was at ND.

I wouldn't mind taking a shot at Kyle Pitts.

Baker was good in the past he was just a self admitted douche Darnold always had the skills he was just thrust into the starting role at age 20. Bryce doesnt have the physical skill set of either. And if we dont know if he is the dude after year 4 its time to pull the plug, its as simple as that

Ian Thomas looked promising his rookie season, too. At this point I want a FA TE. We have bigger fish to fry in the draft than taking a stab a another project TE, which isn't even a major component in this offense.

Sure, agree. To be fair, none of those guys have been in the league as long as Sam or Baker. But I also don't expect any of them to develop into good starters in the future like Sam and Baker did. There are absolutely more QBs that have failed and been discarded than examples like Sam. My only point is that each player is unique and can develop at their own pace. Maybe it's too slow for the team. Maybe they don't put in the work, etc. But not being a star by year 4 isn't a death sentence.

JT Sanders has been such a disappointment. I really thought he'd be good after his promising start to the rookie season.

now do Kenny Picket, zach wilson, justin fields, I could go on but you get the drift

He's basically Thomas Davis, but bigger. But yeah, he's closer to Luvu than Kuechly. I would say he would be better as a OLB. It won't matter because Dallas is zeroing in on him to replace Parsons. Unless he gets injured or tests out horribly, he ain't lasting to #19. I've stopped mocking him because it's fool's gold to think we can land him at our draft slot.

Question to those that know CFB. Styles seems talented but doesn’t seem like an MLB. Seems a lot more like a Luvu than a Kuechly. Is he an ILB or OLB in a 3-4? If we draft him, I’d think we still need a traditional mlb-type either via draft for FA.

Personal feelings aside, I really don’t think this coaching staff and FO values TE high enough to take one in the 1st rd. That, and I think we are fine with the 3 we have for what we ask them to do. I don’t think Styles makes it to our pick either. So if I had to guess right now, I would guess OT might be the best combo of value and need at our pick. There will be a few off the board before we pick, but there should still be some value there.

Your comment is ironic considering it's in a thread about Sam Darnold. Who didn't play well in the NFL until his 7TH season! Now I'm not advocating that we would or should ever keep Bryce around longer than next season unless he plays great. But I think Sam (and Baker to a certain extent) have shown that QBs can still continue to develop after many years in the league.

Chenal is 25. Might be a fit.

I don't think its an ad and you don't have to click on to any post you don't have interest in

wasnt directed at you personally just saying the supporters are saying he is "progressing" but at some point he either is the guy or isnt. His "progression" is at a damn snails pace and you simply cannot afford to ride him out for 5 years hoping he makes a monumental leap.

I'm just speaking on the staff picking up the option... I've been said we need another guy in that room...

Definitely does!!

In theory we can get out but its going to cost us. Thats why picking up the 5th was always stupid. If he hasnt shown he is the franchise guy by year 4 what the fug is giving him a 5th going to do?

How many years are we going to keep saying this?

“Led” By your logic, Bryce Young led the Panthers to the NFC South title.

With you on the first paragraph. Want a vet LB that can play fast out of the gate, these young guys have to think too much. We need at least one good veteran upgrade there and if we can draft a promising player to pair up with a vet, so much the better. Do the best we can at edge, just don’t force it too hard if it doesn’t fall our way. Now, Coker? He got what, 140, 150 yards in his first playoff game? We can hold off on upgrading him for my money. I yield to the people who have been asking for the speed factor at WR. Get someone cat quick who can juke someone, and get up after a hit. If possible. I really hardly care that about TE. No high picks on one please. There should be a lot of them out there, sign one.

i had forgotten about san fran wonder of mac jones will have the same resurgance after shanahan works with him. vikings fans have it even worse then panther fans though bc they let him leave when he was actually good

I want Styles in round 1 but we would definitely have to trde up above the Cowboys to get him.