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Eh, it’s more on how bad the refs are. Some of these calls against the canes are no calls

Yes, the QB who went 15-1 and made it to the SB with Ted Ginn Jr. as his #1 WR while also often leading the team in rushing and rushing TDs with a revolving door of largely trash tier OTs is super comparable to Bryce Young. Clownish argument. The thing we are doing better this time around is actually surrounding our #1 overall draft pick QB with talent vs. asking him to completely carry the offense. I just hope that effort is leading us to realize that the guy isn't even good enough to get carried.

I can’t wait until BY is gone or just majorly steps his game up (unlikely) because every discussion just leads back to him

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It absolutely is. The guy said Young is so bad he couldn't even win with a pro bowl roster. So if that is his criteria for talent, then by HIS measure, Newton is a bust as well. Now we all know Newton wasn't so by that measure, neither would Young be in that same situation.

I knew you would like them

This can't be a serious post

Your last 2 posts are just a chefs kiss. And not in the way you think

I believe Dan still holds the record for most tackles in a Super Bowl.

I've never had a problem with his footwork or mechanics so am not looking for him to fix them. I do agree though that this is the year. Boom or bust!

For those that want Luke to coach, Is coaching a blue or white collar job? I asked AI and it told me it is both. The reason I ask is because I think it would depend on what Luke's temperament is. Luke definitely has the brains and patience for the white collared aspect as well as the motor and hard work for the blue collard side. Now what does Luke want to do for the next 20-30 years of his life? He will have to weigh being insightful to the millions of NFL fans who love the sport as a commentator to sharing and passing down his knowledge to the hundreds and thousands of NFL players he will coach. Luke just seems like an altruistic, hard working kind of guy and that leads me to believe he will choose to be a permanent coach (when it comes) over taking a temporary commenting gig.

We had a QB in that exact spot! As a rookie, Cam Newton had Steve Smith (PB), Greg Olsen (PB), Brandon LaFell, Ted Ginn JR, Deangelo Williams (PB), Jonathan Stewart (PB), Jordan Grossn (PB), Ryan Kalil (PB) on the offensive side and then he had Luke Kuechly (PB), Jon Beason (PB), Thomas Davis (PB), Star Lotulelei, Kawann Short ( PB ),Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy (PB ), Mike Mitchell, Josh Norman (PB) and others that I can't remember right now on the defensive side. Even with all those pro bowlers and talent, he only had 3 winning seasons in his career and he never put consecutive winning seasons together. His best year was his 5th year ( 2015 ) when he went to the SB. That was only his second winning season. He would only have one other winning season the rest of his career. And yet Newton is considered a great QB and is revered on this board. If you don't like Young because you don't think he could win even with top tier talent, than what do you say about Newton who did have it and couldn't win.

Been kinda surprising at how undisciplined this team has been in the playoffs. So many penalties.

I am a degenerate, wannabe sports bettor / prediction market donator. Glad I found this thread. I'd be happy to share some of my bets if this thread is still alive, but I do a lot of baseball this time of year. It is statistically the best sport to bet on, though - as far as "edges" go. We got a great slate today with NBA, NHL and MLB, 3 game 7's and a bunch of baseball. Here are some of my favorite picks which are combination of mine and some of the "gurus" I follow. Single bet or parlay at your own risk! Twins / Blue Jays over 8 runs Dodgers / Cardinals over 9.5 runs Dodgers ML Cubs / Diamondbacks over 11.5 runs Pistons -8.5

Beason absolutely as the beginning of his career had the trajectory before the injuries. Dan wasn't as dynamic.

I love this place. Was here since 2012 and have been on and off for other hectic endeavors. Between here and the Roaring Riot, I made some absolute good friends. I got to help start the Los Angeles chapter the of the RR but since moved to Vegas.

That is that playoff desperation and drive we have been missing

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I’ve been a critic all year but he has been our best defensive player so far in the playoffs. Miller may have taken the next step with us. Dude is balling out

This is the year Goddamnit, this is the off season where he really fixes his mechanics and footwork. Granted I have heard that for years now but this really is the year. Really. No more netflix, no more chilling but all work on the mechanics.

For starters, and again I am not sure what his capacity is in the media or how connected he is to the team, but I posted above Al Wallace says he is "absolutely" getting 50+ a year and he deserves it. I obviously strongly disagree with it but it feels like like season when the team is slow leaking info to gauge the temp. Secondly nobody on Gods green earth is going to sign an extension making less than he is making now. Thats just crazy talk.

No. Physical tools alone aren't enough. There are plenty of examples of draft busts to support that. Aost all of them had the physical tools and that wasn't enough. But Bryce is a perfect example of the opposite. Absolutely elite intangibles aren't enough either. If you simply don't have the physical abilities all the football intelligence and work ethic in the world won't be enough to overcome it. Just look to the sidelines every Sunday. We call those people "coaches".

As much as I despise Billy B, his philosophy on QBs is how I would approach things if I were a GM. You always keep looking for your next starter. He has Bledsoe, who got injured and his backup ended up being the GOAT. Even while he had that going, he kept getting his next guy and developing them. When Brady got hurt, Cassel stepped in and went 11-5 and they missed the wild card by dumb luck. Who knows how far they would have gone if they had gotten in. Jimmy Gs career started in NE. There were others, but he always kept looking. You can't be afraid to keep looking for your next starter, but it looks like we're afraid to look for more than a marginal one. If you're going to offer a $25m contract with incentives, that screams marginal QB. It also screams you're just a transition until we find our guy. After a 10 or 11 win season, he's not accepting that offer. And then you're in a Daniel Jones situation. Do you pay for a year of success and pray it wasn't a one year wonder? To this point, Bryce has really produced nothing, yet for whatever reason, our FO has not even sniffed at the idea that we need a real QB room with real QBs. Dalton was never starter potential, Plummer was a joke. KP certainly isn't, neither is Grier. Our approach to the QB room needs to be one of strength not fear. Bring in guys who can compete or who you think can compete. This is THE elite position, in an elite sport, paid premium salary, where production matters. Either you produce or you can lose your job. It's not mean, it's just the reality of the position. And I'm really just tired of our candy ass approach to it.

If you plug Bryce onto the Pro Bowl roster you might have a chance to compete for a SB. If he's surrounded by top tier talent with a top tier defense on the other side, a field flipping punter, and a kicker good from 60+ you might have a chance. But that means you basically have to recreate Saban's Bama in the NFL and that's impossible... and Bryce couldn't win a championship in that environment either. What the Panthers didn't realize when they got so obsessed with his "PG mentality" was that what they were looking st was a "barely checks the box PG". The basketball equivalent of Bryce would be an undersized PG with marginal athleticism who can make the basic plays but adds nothing to the team in terms of elevating the overall team. Not a great shooter, not a great defender, not a great driver. Just a guy who can basically get you into the offense and be a matador on defense. Basically a placeholder while you look to upgrade the PG position.