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BY only attempting 2 sneaks in 3 years, when the NFL average is over 1 per game, just proves that the coaches feel they need to add an player just for short yardage because we have a QB that they deem not able to do it. Having to carry 4 RBs will mean that we are short at another position. What will it be? TE? That makes the most sense.
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To be fair. Most post that I see from you come from a place of negativity. I think being so cut throat on things like the draft seem to me as if those thoughts are lacking their due diligence. There isn’t any one position that I think holds more value to the team than another except for the QB position. So adding pieces in any manner helps. I do agree you have to take into account needs and where we are short. But if we pulled a receiver out of the draft that was like Jamar Chase. I don’t think you’re singing that tune. Or passing on a guy that caliber for let’s say and OT that is equitable to Ekwonu. both play their parts in making the team better or worse but one can be a game changer. i think early on with your picks the best approach is looking for a game changer at any position. And hopefully that falls in line with our needs. But if not, and we land a generational talent then that can help us win. and I do understand value and positionally where that can be a reach. So I do understand your take. But saying the FO is failure by drafting a certain position group before seeing the cat play is short sighted IMO
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I cashed out my hornets bet for a 3x last night as well. I'll take a 100 dollar profit off 22 in bets. I'm ready for soccer Saturday
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Off-season topic: WWYD? Total Branding Redesign
jfra78 replied to PanthersATL's topic in Carolina Panthers
I wouldnt mind the alternative logo on the helm and some scratch marks on the sleeves or something -
Is it really proven though? First, it's a five-year window. For as much as we want to laud Detroit and Tampa Bay, they've had their issues, and to be honest, we can't say with surety that either will even be in the dance this year. I guess what I'm saying is that, at the end of the day, team building is way more complex than saying just draft lineman on day one or day two every year, and you'll be in contention every year. It still comes down to actual team building, putting puzzle pieces together each season, and with an eye for the longer term (cap implications, talent, potential, chemistry, and all across all positions). It's highly complex. Lately, Howie Roseman has been a master of it all really. Secondly, PFF is really making a distinction between drafting tackles in rounds one through three versus four through seven (and UDFA). I'm all for keeping OTs in the pipeline, but you still can't say that you have to draft them on day one when a lot of damage can be done on day two as well. Lastly, like it or not, it's indisputable that some classes are just better than others at certain positions. We made it a priority to draft Bryce in 2023--traded a king's ransom for him, when all we had to do was wait until 2024 when the draft was better stocked at QB. It's not necessarily a good thing to have a tunnel-minded view at the expense of the big-picture view, which comes back to the fact that team building is more complex and individualistic than trying to force a general formulaic approach to a specific situation.
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Off-season topic: WWYD? Total Branding Redesign
PNW_PantherMan replied to PanthersATL's topic in Carolina Panthers
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Its not bad. Its better than the last revision, but its pretty bland. I think their best look of all time is the classic red helmet with the black shirts.
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Fixed it for you
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Betting on women's sports. I'm hosting your intervention when I come to Charlotte. Haha. Been swamped with work last two days, so haven't posted much. But been hitting.
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Off-season topic: WWYD? Total Branding Redesign
PanthersNCSU replied to PanthersATL's topic in Carolina Panthers
I'm scared to change the uniforms too much, I like them. I'm sure there's a better option, but I'm scared whatever comes next will be awful and too XFL/modern. But the biggest thing, would be to use the retro logos and font more. That lettering should always be in the end zones, I like using the retro logo, and for that matter, give me the full panther body logo somewhere. -
I'm big for drafting an OT but it doesn't have to be a first rounder. It does have to be one that can actually play LT. Icky's future is uncertain. I'm not a glass half empty kind of guy, I'm a realist. We can't expect Icky to return to pre injury form in a season. We have 2 guys on prove it deals, and an aging Moton on a 2 year deal. If we don't address the issue, next year we could very realistically need a new LT, new ST, new RT if Moton's knee issues get worse. If things don't go well for us at the tackle position, we're in trouble having to go hunt for good starters in FA, AND we have a potential Bryce extension to cripple the cap or Bryce tanks and we're in search of a QB1 again. There's a lot more ways for this to go wrong than to go right for us. As long as we seriously address the position, I'm fine. Bringing in an UDFA and calling it good while we go all in in the draft planning to make a SB run while being paper thin at one of the biggest meat grinder areas on the team, that's just bad planning in my book. We should be drafting one OL guy every year. We haven't been investing in the draft. We have to do it, like it or not. Our entire OL can't be FA pickups.
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Dave Canales: the next rockstar head coach
firefox1234 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
He needs to at least reach a Super Bowl in my opinion. Even RR was able to manage that. -
Off-season topic: WWYD? Total Branding Redesign
csx replied to PanthersATL's topic in Carolina Panthers
The absolute worst look we have -
They had the abbreviated airport name on the chest--ATL Which I translated to mean "Another terrible Loss" -- I suggested that they put "28-3" on their sleeves to commemorate their last Super Bowl appearance, but they rejected my proposal.
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I definitely see your point, but the issue to me is this: Do we have the immediate urgency right now to draft a T in round 1 when there are other positions that could use starters from the draft? Secondly, I find this draft to be weak this year, with about 14 players with first round grades (arguably). I do not think the OTs in this draft are average, but there are more of them considered to be first round candidates based on the weakness of this draft. Since we have 2 proven starters, maybe we should draft a project later and if we have the need next year, draft the OT then? Your facts are indisputable, but we have to take our situation and the availability of talent at OT in 2026. This is a very debatable topic--so I definitely see your view.
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I look at it like get on top of the situation. Stay ahead of it. If it costs you a year of not drafting a starter at number three WR in the first so be it. We need new blood there in 2027 if not 2026, and need to get some OL on rookie deals. At the same time the big picture is considered, we have a QB that has yet to earn an extension and you can go glass half full if you want but he had about half the good games that he needed to have. Fewer, IMO, but the point is he is not a lock to earn an extension. Which would really put next year’s number one in play for QB and take OT off the table. So I think it needs to be on the table this year.
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Feels like they just changed like 2 years ago.
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https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-success-why-building-through-the-nfl-draft-is-the-key Conclusions drawn This article took a deep dive into evaluating recent offensive line trends regarding the draft and free agency while incorporating team success into the equation. Here are the biggest takeaways: The best offensive lines in football (PHI, DET, TB) were built through the draft in the early rounds Other teams (most notably LAC) are following the same approach in team building Offensive line is something a team should target in the early rounds (1-3), as the success rate significantly declines in the later rounds both in the short and long-term Offensive tackles have a higher success rate through the draft than interior offensive linemen, regardless of round Acquiring free agent offensive line does have its benefits, particularly for elite units filling one hole. Interior offensive is typically the way to go Top-end offensive line talent is far less likely to be available via trade or free agency compared to other positions year to year, only emphasizing the importance of the draft My words: we were forced to make some big signings on interior after years of poor OL drafting and neglect. It worked but isnt sustainable. We need to get right. Drafting tackles high is a successful formula. We need to start now to have any hope going forward.
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MHS831 started following NFC South: Falcons new uniforms
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It kinda looks like a generic Cardinals uniform to me. I guess the news is they are ditching the black jerseys. And I think this will be their alternative helmet:
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Lol. Any reason to throw digs at this guy. I didn't say he was built to do it. I said he was successful every time he's tried. That means he can do it. That's the opposite of fantasy. That's reality. Steve Smith wasn't built to be a jump ball WR either. But he did it at a high clip. For the record, I'm not saying BY is the level of QB as Smitty was as a WR. Just an example of size not being the only component.
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Let's say we have a LT for 2026, because we do. After that, let's say Ickey could be back and we would have the option of extending Walker. That too is truth. Don't get me wrong--I LOVE drafting OL, but drafting a first-round OT now is either wasting the money we just paid for a free agent OR it is like paying top dollar for a new car and keeping it in your garage for a season. A first rounder should give us 4-5 years of cap relief by playing from day 1. I shall elaborate here: Teams obviously get desperate for OTs and if they enter the draft without 2 solid tackles, they are almost obligated to reach for a first round OT. This year, I see 1 OT who is probably worth first-round consideration, and I am not putting him in the top 10 players in the draft. Lomu, Freeling, Miller, and Proctor, for example, probably and arguably have second-round value. So why would you reach for an OT in round 1 when you already have starters at both T positions but you have other needs? We do need depth, however, and I think there is decent OT depth that needs development on day 3. They are no slouches, by the way. Drew Shelton (could drop to round 4): Surrendered 1 sack as Penn State's LT in 2025. 33 3/8" arms. Pass pro improved every year (4 years--experienced). "For a team running a zone-heavy scheme that values lateral movement and reach-blocking ability over phone-booth mauling, Shelton has real appeal. He is not a plug-and-play starter, but the athletic tools and the clear year-over-year improvement suggest a player who can develop into a capable starter if a coaching staff invests in his strength base and cleans up his technique. The ceiling depends entirely on how much stronger he can get and whether his feet can stay alive after initial contact." Austin Barber (could drop to round 4): I see him as a RT at best and a probable kick inside to Guard where his strengths would switch from secondary to primary tools. Considering Lewis and Hunt may be gone in a year or two, this would give the Panthers a chance to work him at RT and then move him inside if he is not effective, and there is confidence that G may be his best position. Jude Bowery (4th round projection) was LT on a Boston College OL that was effective in the run game. Bowery is one of the most athletic OTs in the draft. His arms are not ideal but not too short (33.75") to play LT. He surrendered 2 sacks. He is raw, and needs some technical refinement with his hands. I think he has the best upside and value for this offense. Dametrious Crownover TexAM (5th round projection; 35 3/8" arms) is one of the more fascinating developmental tackles in this class because the physical tools are legitimately rare. A strong run blocker who should be better in pass protection with his tools. "You do not find many 6-7, 336-pound men with that foot speed and who have the athletic background of a converted tight end. When everything clicks, he looks like a starting right tackle in a gap-heavy run scheme, smothering defenders at the point of attack and using his length to erase speed off the edge. The 2024 tape, when he anchored one of the best rushing attacks in the SEC, is the version of Crownover that gets offensive line coaches excited." THIS is the kind of player our coaches could develop until Moton is done. Isaiah World (Oregon, injured ACL in playoffs, 5th round projection--could slide to 6th). World will not play much if at all in 2026, which is why he might fall. For the Panthers' purposes, however, this would give the OL coaches time to work with him. "What made World intriguing coming out of Eugene was the untapped ceiling, a fifth-year transfer who arrived as the top-ranked offensive tackle in the portal and looked the part for stretches. The improvement he showed against Big Ten competition in his one Oregon season was real, and the physical foundation, length, athleticism, and improving technique in pass protection, is still there. The ACL tear suffered in the College Football Playoff semifinal against Indiana doesn't erase that, but it changes the conversation significantly." "That said, the investment argument isn't crazy for the right organization. This is still a tackle with first-round portal grades and the kind of athletic profile that doesn't just disappear. A team with patience and a strong offensive line room can afford to stash World on the roster, let him develop his lower-body power and pad-level consistency during the recovery process, and potentially unlock a starting-caliber right tackle somewhere in his second or third season. The path is longer now, but the destination hasn't changed for a scout willing to bet on the physical tools." You get the idea. If we do not need the OT immediately, draft one later and develop him as depth and for next season. Most college players drafted in round 1 were not first rounders if they had entered the draft the year before, so why not grab a player with upside?
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Dave Canales: the next rockstar head coach
Jon Snow replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Based on what? Its certainly not his in game coaching prowess.
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