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Honestly, I wouldn't care if he Pele kicked the ball to the receiver. As long as he makes the play.

One thing I’ll say about Koochie, try that on him and he will fight.

Married women are going to be less likely to want to get pregnant. There are lots of single women that would view Smitty as a cash cow. Get pregnant, have the baby, get 50k a month in child support for the next 18 years. It's Hoenomics 101.

I'd love to see the cherry pick that has Bryce Young as a top 10 QB. But I mean, if you are going to cherry pick it down to 3 games......then he isn't going to compare to the others if you were to afford them the same cherry pick logic. His best vs their best is still going to be.....miles apart. but that's the Bryce Young game at this point. And if you got to erase 85% of someone's play to make the argument.......that's not a good argument. I don't see the real gripe to be honest. I just think he has a low ceiling. I'm not advocating to bench him, get rid of him, or anything. In fact, I said, I think he can be a serviceable starter. He just doesn't have the tools IMO nor has shown enough to IMO to believe he can be much more than that at this level. Therefore, he isn't a big picture solution.

Bryce averaged 208 yards per game with a 61% completion since coming back. How is that top 10?

the evidence is his mechanics

Actually, what lines up with your ideas he is too short or small to be successful.? His passing completions or total yards? Bryce is going into his 13th game with a legitimate offense and good offensive coach. And during that time he went from the worst qb in the league to top 10 by the end of the year based on game production against a number of playoff teams. And he showed that he can lead comebacks and score under pressure at the end of the game and overtime. He stayed cool under pressure and was one of the best against the blitz by year end. That is the holy grail in quarterback traits and Bryce went from crumbling under pressure to stepping up and delivering strikes down the field. Maybe it is me but those kind of qualities far out weigh a few inches or a few pounds here and there. Everyone holds their breath when he get whacked by a 350lb linemen and exhales when he magically arises seemingly unfazed. And yeah when he is backpedalling and tosses one out there as if it is random only to float into Thielen's hand it seems just luck. Kind of like Russell Wilson years ago. But I think you are letting your past rob you of enjoying what I hope is happening which is the development of our franchise guy. And for the record I am all about bringing in competition at all positions including quarterback.

Speaking of based on facts and stats... BEHOLD MOAR CHARTS And for those that understandably don't Twitter/social media:

My take is that Bryce was terrible coming in but improved at the end of last season which did make me excited about watching this team again. If he continues to improve and look better (I hope he does) then we’re not in the market for a QB. If he regresses or doesn’t show signs of being anything more than a mid to low end starter we are probably looking for a QB next April. Excited to see what he can do and hope he can build on last seasons momentum.

well, if you compare him vs his peers based on facts and stats......that would favor my side of things vs yours. Would it not? because again, even when you uniquely cherry pick Bryce down to only games folks want to acknowledge (which means ruling out most of his NFL career).......where does that leave him?

I expect Bryce to probably regress a little the first half of the year vs where he left off and then improve some (he is young, I consider last year his rookie year in large part, and folks will study that film hard). I think he will be a serviceable starter. Low end of the middle of the pack. So like 20ish range in terms of starters.

Actually I looked up whether they keep stats on how many jump passes quarterbacks make a year. I figured Mahomes would be near the top with all his acrobatics. But I couldn't find it. My point is and was that we see what we want and expect to see. You expect and look for validation that he is too short and small to be our franchise guy. And as the saying goes you always find what you are looking for because you ignore the contrary. I simply say compare him against his peers based on facts and stats not your observations and opinions. And if you don't think you have an agenda you would be the first person not to.

The good news is, if all things go as you expect this year there should be a ton of good options at the draft next year. So there is that.

the QB sneak isn't my hill. Best 4th and 1 play (push tush excluded) IMO is a Cam or Lamar direct snap not under C, not a sneak. Which means you can't sell out completely in the gaps. Because they can take it anywhere, or over the top, or pass. But that's for running QBs. if random textbook QB (Stafford, Lawrence, whoever) is my QB.....I don't love the QB sneak. For a lot of the reasons you mentioned.

Actually I have always felt that using a qb to sneak was a huge mistake even for big guys. Do you remember when Cam sneaked the ball and got a helmet spear to the head and it wasn't even called. It is unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Everyone knows what you are going to do. Why not have a big guy or backup run the ball who is disposable? Yeah they know what is coming if you bring in a big guy. Like they don't if you keep the QB in...... Actually there are many more reasons not to sneak the ball with the qb versus using something else like New Orleans did who could still run or pass.

you want me to provide evidence of his jump balls? Or bailing the pocket? I don't think either of those claims requires me to show you evidence. What do you want evidence of exactly? never did I mention downfield throws. I said, he gets blind to play at the lines because of his size (the quick stuff). There are literally plays I don't have time to search for but have been highlighted on QB school where there is just no way he can see the options on certain plays even if wide open (talking behind and around the line of scrimmage). Line too close paired with the receiving option too close. And the stat I referenced (which you can find on next gen stats) was he is below average at and behind the line of scrimmage....which I'm sure his size/vision plays a role in the why. I have an agenda? Cool. Then so do you. and again, Bryce's cherry picked best play (which isn't how anything works).....still leaves him on the low end of production. I'm not overly bashing Bryce. I just acknowledge, most signs point to him having a low ceiling. And in the big picture, that's not the direction you want to go. He is our QB for now. I hope he improves. Which in turn would allow our O and others to develop. But to me, there isn't much of an argument that Bryce Young is anything but short term solution.

Again where is the evidence. You keep saying it but honestly you have shown no evidence. Unless you know what he was supposed to do and then what he did do, you don't know anything about his intentions and or forced changes due to height. His completion percentage for passes from 1 to 10 yards was only slightly lower than his best percentage which was 10 to 20 yards passing. Not enough of a difference to be significantly different. Truth is you have an agenda that you try to justify despite any evidence to the contrary. Many of us felt the same way but have allowed his actual play to inform our opinion. I still would have picked Stroud over Bryce but I am willing to keep an open mind and see what is there instead of filtering everything through my biases and already polarized opinions.

I miss Ryan, but his brother shamed the family name for generations

being arguably the smallest QB in the modern era.....is likely a factor though. Making that just a QB sneak convo isn't the right convo.

I don’t mean to dump on you, but we always have too many unrealistic hopes in the preseason. It’s one thing if we were back in the playoffs/winning divisions but when we stink we are really unrealistic. Jordan Matthews hadn’t played in years but we think he could do well? Sanders breaking Panther rookie TE records so now he’ll double that production even after we add a 3rd down RB and a, hopefully, stud WR? I’m hoping for the team to keep improving but let’s discuss the top 2 Panthers rookie TE seasons: 33-342 1 TD 36-333 2 TDs I didn’t look it up but I’m assuming the comment about Sanders breaking a record is true, so Sanders is the first row. Anyone hazard a guess on who row two is? That’s right, that’s our legendary Ian Thomas. If Sanders can’t block and Evans can, I really hope Evans wins the starting or 2nd TE spot. I feel like we discussed this before that we often tipped our hand pass/run based on the TE playing. Sanders wasn’t so dynamic that he’s got to be on the field so hopefully Evans/Tremble step up so that we can run or pass at any time without being hindered by bad blocking.

Are we still arguing that the QB sneak of all plays is some career defining weakness. Teams run an average or 4.5 qb sneaks per year! Yes that average has increased recently with the tush push, but the fact is league average is like 1 per game. It is a non factor.

It was disappointing because if you watched the games you would know that 2/3 of those stats were put up after the game was out of hand.

his on target % had him ranked 31st last year. and only Anthony Richardson had a worse bad throw %

Ravens mixing it up with a random Mark Andrew tush push last year isn't a similar situation. Lamar has run QB sneaks his entire career. And often instead of a traditional sneak will even employ a 4th and 1 direct snap to Lamar simply because of how athletic he is (which even Cam did a lot of) and let him pick his own holes.