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The stans excuse for this weekends loss.

In my attempts to get people to look at this possibility, included pitchers because they are the prime example for that. They work at a few percentage points under their max effort because the accuracy is so much improved. So if you have a natural gun and can still get above MLB average velocity when you take some off, that’s the guy you want.

Id like to see Canales with a non Bryce QB and a different dc before firing him

That’s me too. There are exceptions. Dan Campbell is tough his teams are tough. He was a big old TE and was tough. But the norm seems to be finesse teams come from offensive guys. That has always been my impression.

Yeah that's why I don't put any stock into the Combine max velocity figures. All that matters is how well you generate velocity in game situations. I don't care how hard you can throw when you have all day and wind up like a baseball pitcher. It's just not relevant to an actual football game. Kirk Cousins threw the ball 10mph faster at the Combine than Lamar Jackson. Cousins (and Goff too for that matter) was right up there with Allen and Mahomes in terms of max velocity. Does that show up on an NFL field?

That could be. No one paid attention but I posted a video last year of two NFL QBs I forget which two, but they ran a test with velocity reader thing. What it was was first throw at a target with your normal comfortable motion. 20 yards maybe which gets you what, 12-15 yards downfield? Anyhow they were hitting the net or whatever they were throwing to. Next you throw your ‘fastball’ (high effort). They were missing high a lot. Predominantly high, but the accuracy suffered. So if you are a guy that has to try harder to get the same velocity, that you might need, that is something that you are likely going to see, less accuracy and missing high.

For the fug of it Luke HC Rivera DC Olsen OC It could not be worse....though Luke might be a better coordinator type. Olsen might be more HC type personality

Bojangles owner, cheerwine head coach, cpi dc, harris teeter oc, smithfield OL coach

yeah 100%. We are losing kids from football too, to non American games like ahem,soccer. Nobody gave a damn about soccer when I was a kid. Long time ago. So it’s good they are doing that for that reason too

Im partial to defensive oriented coaches as HC in order to establish some toughness. Offensive coaches have been the worst offenses and overall teams we've had.

I get the call to go for it. The bitch of coaching is that when you make these calls you're brilliant if it works out and you're a jackass if it doesn't and everyone's going to second guess it. It's is what it is. I get that he's expecting his OL to be able to create a yard there but at the same time it's also basically your weakness against their strength. The part I disagree most with honestly was the decision to go out there and bark to try to create the false start then calling a timeout and putting your offense back on the field. Now you've shown your hand. Now they know you're going. You can't call back to back dead all timeouts and you're not backing your FG kicker up so you're going. I agree with trying to create the false start but I don't think you call a timeout and then out your offense back out there. If that's your plan you gotta kick. When Stafford started walking off with still several seconds left in the play clock I honestly thought they were gonna do something sneaky like a direct snap to the RB or the RB running up under center and basically doing a tush push style play. I don't like calling the timeout and putting your offense back there with the D now knowing you're gonna go.

It was the genesis of all the deep ball arguments. Really just go deep and stretch them. Take the shot. They can’t just stand there and watch you run by them because, the blind squirrel saying is true. I will just say, the speed thing, Dalton did it with the same players as Bryce and it opened things up. Speed, no speed, I don’t see any of our guys as slow.

The real take away from this is just how lucky these kids are to be coached by 3 Panther greats, and how great is it that those 3 are volunteering their time like that to reach and teach kids through football. Pretty awesome IMO.

The Renfrow comment is just to highlight his ball placement really shows itself with tiny WRs and it’s bad. Horn is even smaller by a decent margin. And Bryce’s deeper throws often aren’t NFL deep balls. I can just see Horn getting smashed because it should be obvious when they want to get him the ball

If they want to draft a 1st round QB they can’t keep Canales, otherwise you are locking into him for 3 more years. If the Panthers suck the rest of the season you have to do it. I think Day will be the next Harbaugh if he jumps up, but I doubt he’d come here unless Tepper would throw eleventy billion dollars at him.

Not sure about the intermediate stuff. But I think Horn is more of what he's used to on deep routes. Small and quick/fast. Bryce really had to learn to put arc on those deep passes for the big plodders/long striders he's had with the Panthers. A guy like Horn has the shiftiness to adjust to deep passes with less arc. Hopefully they at least TRY to test that theory. Renfrow is not a deep threat. He has never in his career been a legitimate deep threat.

ha ha man you got me there lol. You know where I stand on that arm. Not sure I said it would be successful but it is all he has left to try. I expect to see it. He has to put that height on the throw or it does only go 7 yards… (okay that didn’t come out right) Wilson made me think I was watching a tip-off of a BB game. Guys standing around waiting for the ball to come down and see who gets it first.

My concern remains Bryce doesn’t seem to be able to put a good ball on tiny a WR and and Horn gets blown up on intermediate-ish deep ball

I think Chuba is better in pass pro. I think Chuba does a better job setting up blockers, while Dowdle tends to just want to juke or outrun defenders. He has more big play potential, but probably won't get you the consistent numbers. He'll get you in more 3rd and long situations. Now I'm actually excited to see Etienne get more burn. That kid has big play ability written all over him. And he is NOT a punt returner.

Maybe had you put it that way instead of dismissing the guy as a ‘radio’ I wouldn’t have pushed back. I get that. At the same time, he knows the team, he is brilliant at film diagnosis, highly disciplined and would have the instant respect of any and all players in that locker room. Coaches too probably. It is hard to overstate how good he was and that includes the mental side. I wouldn’t bet against him. Give him a couple of seasons to get the job down. I shouldn’t say every, but I bet it is every… OC or DC that got a HC gig has said they weren’t ready for everything that goes with being a HC. Totally different than the job they had been doing, because now they have to deal with everything and they didn’t even know what that was when they started. edit: I guess a point I am trying to make with him is, you can work your way up through jobs but when you get promoted the job is not just a higher level of the job you were doing, it is a different job requiring new skills. The failed HC ranks are full of great coordinators for that very reason. I resist the dogma of you can’t be good at that unless you were good at LB coach or DC. To me, Wilks wasn’t a real good DC but he somehow understood that HC job intuitively.

Call me crazy but I don’t think there’s any drop off to Dowdle…

I don’t see it at this time. LB coach that works his way up; most definitely

Yet it gets done. Well, two great phases is not realistic. Good and good would suit me. Very good and a good… It comes down to heart and stuff like that when the big opportunities come up. Who wants it, who can play the cleanest game, etc. Saying this without relating it to our current situation, just in a bubble: Coaching and GM’ing are key to it. I think system continuity helps a TON too. Pittsburgh has always had that part of it, the continuity. They are an easy example and are a bit down now but even so let’s see how they end up… it won’t be Tepper Panthers bad, you can put money on that. Commanders seem to be doing well with a defensive HC and a young good QB.

If Bryce was efficient it wouldn't matter. The issue with Bryce is that he both can't push the ball down the field and he can't be efficient. That leaves your offense stalled out because the defense is choking you to death.