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I don’t want to dog Rodney too much. We went from 1-15 to 7-9 with him and it was Fox ball.

Players know. Sports, music, whatever. Good players know. Now, there are bunch of no playin’ people that don’t know they are no playin’ people, just like in all walks of life. The players know.

Rhule beat Cincinnati to open the season, and they are ranked 17th currently. But even a "down" Nebraska team should beat a "good" Cincinnati team based on talent / recruits alone. Cincinnati is feasting on a very weak pre-conference and Big 12 schedule for 7 wins in a row after losing to Nebraska. Rhule's extension is Nebraska knowing they won't get anyone better than him, and Rhule knowing Penn State is not going to hire him because he isn't the splash he was 7 years ago, which was unwarranted then and even more so now. Halloween game for Carolina tonight. Syracuse starting a kid that didn't take a snap in the offseason practices. There is a good chance we watch Filardi and Lopez try to outdo one another with who sucks more and can throw a game away. Still reminiscing on the Halloween game against #2 Miami like 20 years ago when the Heels won on a last second field goal.

Bottom of the roster churn would be okay with me. If some trades are made some people will be waived/released. I was citing something in my SEC does not equal NFL arguments a couple of years back and it is the difference one year of NFL and the following offseason do for players. These guys are not going to be college players if they do it right, year two.

I know you have seen how I feel about it. Right there with you. I swear I was listening to the radio of our game and checking some game cast play by play and they do things like ‘deep incomplete 18 yards. I poo you not that is for real. I have no words or too many words.

I am not going to argue and say people don’t do that, but bro… you talking about two games. I am talking about .. all the other ones.

Nah people run down Bryce for just managing the game when the offense was flowing through Rico. Have you seen what Taylor has been putting up in Indy

So what you're saying is we suck?

I told my wife there's some special olympics coming on in an hour and she was like "the Panthers???" and I'm like "nah, UNC". She just laughed. I love football but football does not love me. LOL

Yep. It was a very sad time to be a Panthers fan to see a player so great reduced to what they were.

I am not convinced there will be dramatic difference makers available, especially with such large coaching issues on both sides of the ball. Still, hopefully Dan is doing due diligence.

There's also the reality that we've been trading away players consistently the last few years and ultimately it hasn't helped. Many of them have looked even better. Just let it play out and revisit.

Cam's deep ball was a beauty. There was a game where he got Ed Dickson damn near 200 yards while Greg Olsen was out. And that was in 2017 before his arm fell apart. This is why when I see the new definition of a "deep pass" I roll my eyes damn near to the back of my head.

Well those guys have a shot to be much better players 12 months from now. We should just ride with what we have.

Losing big to the Magic at home... oy vey. We should have kept PJ Washington over Miles Bridges. At least when the rookies are playing sloppy basketball we can chop it up to youth. Miles Bridges singlehandedly sabotaging us on both ends for the bulk of the game is just awful.

I remember it as teams played us with Cam and his dead arm about like they play us with Bryce. They weren’t afraid of anything deep down the field. Cheated up on everything. Talk about a deep ball Cam had a deep ball.

Think that will be all Packers 2nd stringers?

I would also hate to see us dump any picks in the top 3 rounds. Those are just too valuable to trade for a team so incredibly far away from being a contender. Even if Scourton and Umanmielen are just basically better version of Jones/Wonnum, I still want them to keep getting the bulk of the reps. Jones/Wonnum are just middle of the road rotational players. Perhaps Scourton/Umanmielen end up being better.

SI article about trade deadline but same topic.

Back to practicing on the side on the first practice back after the injury too. Should be studied for science

Depends on price, IMO. Good fits but it would need to be for a relative bargain and/or with a plan to retain(mainly with Phillips). Chubb is injury prone, 29 and has 2 years left at roughly $20 mil(real cost to us, not including prorated money). None of this money is guaranteed, however. Philips is 26 and on an expiring $13.5 mil deal. Chubb would probably be easier to obtain, although potentially a cap suck if he gets injured again. Philips would potentially be more expensive to acquire and a risk if you aren't able to immediately sign him to an extension. Chubb could be the bigger, cheaper gamble with an easy exit strategy. Phillips could be a long term solution but also potentially leave you holding the bag if he REALLY doesn't want to return and skips out this offseason(minus the tag). He is also in his prime as a player.

I think a pass rusher would be hard to get--so I have not mentioned it. i also think that our two young OLBs are showing some signs. It is tough to figure out. Is it scheme? Are we predictable? However, I don't see us upgrading by adding a Reddick (sheer luck) by next week.

I see that,but my focus is broader, which changes the logic (unless I am missing something here). If you like Rico and trade Hubbard, you don't have to let Rico go--you could sign him, have Etienne and Brooks and maybe even a late round draft pick--but you get an ILB, which is our biggest weakness--which is my point. If you isolate your focus on RB only and you focus on next year, it makes little sense to trade Hubbard--to me, you upgrade LB right now and you have RBs. I think we are constantly in rebuild or build mode, we don't think like those seeking rings. What helps us more--(and I am not sure about Hubbard's trade value, which was part of your point)--a backup RB (solid but still a backup right now) or a starting ILB? Which player fills our needs? So I could argue your point, but there are other perspectives that should be considered if you broaden the scope. It is not a no-brainer--lotta variables.

It Is a miracle

Probably gonna increase that 4th quarter differential this week